Re: A Parable of Two Carpenters

From: The Half A Wannabe (america)Zulu_at_hotmail.com)
Date: 12/02/03 

Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 05:00:30 +0100

"Beth" <BethStone21@hotmail.NOSPICEDHAM.com> wrote in message
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> Alan Connor wrote:
> > So I guess I owe everyone an apology.
> >
> > (except a certain juvenile delinquent who remains in
> > my killfile)
> >
> > I hope you will accept it.
>
> Don't worry, that was one of the most important things that the first
> carpenter taught is that forgiveness should basically be
> automatic...as, in fact, as our second carpenter demonstrates to an
> unbelievable level of clarity: Hatred and anger hurts _YOU_ more
> eventually than it does anyone else...Rene's "wrath" has simply turned
> him into a bit of a mockery, scared away plenty of people who would
> otherwise be _very_ interested in his all-in-one solution, he would
> have received - as Hutch suggested - plenty of help from skilled
> others which he's lost by insulting them all the time, his "rebirth"
> is forever delayed, etc....whereas, HLA has gone from strength to
> strength...all because Randy listened to the first carpenter...note
> that Rene's been at this for _ages_ and still Randy takes a perfect
> forgiving and still tries to offer genuine and honest advice...
>
> Unfortunately, increasingly, because many of the "Bible belt"
> persuasion shout and act all judgemental (which is _highly_
> unChristian, in fact..."Love thy neighbour", "Love thy enemy", "Judge
> not, lest thy be judged", etc.), there's often a perception that the
> things Jesus was saying are like "restrictions"...you know, like
> "daddy" spoiling the kids "fun"...but, in fact, it's all really good,
> self-evident advice for living...which was what shocked a friend who
> once tried to annoy me by saying the old joke: "They've found the
> first missing page of the Bible...it says: 'the characters and events
> in this novel are purely fictious and any similarity to people,
> companies living or dead is purely coincidental...'"...and he found it
> odd that I just laughed at this joke, which he thought he could wind
> me up with...knowing I'm a Christian...but I simply said: "Perhaps
> that's actually true...maybe the whole Bible _is_ a work of
> fiction...not that I personally believe that...as, after all, many of
> the historical events and so forth are actually _known_ to have
> happened from other history and geological studies...but, were it all
> just a fiction novel, IT DOES NOT IN THE SLIGHTEST ALTER THE TRUTH OF
> THE MESSAGE"...and the Bible itself stresses the importance of the
> actual _Message_ of Love, Compassion, Forgiveness and so forth as most
> relevent...
>
> Rene proves almost every time he opens his mouth that his anger and
> fear and wrath are, in fact, HARMING HIMSELF more than they actually
> harm anyone else...interestingly, you can also see completely separate
> religions - and sciences even - independently come to basically the
> same rough conclusion as this themselves...notions of Yin and Yang,
> the concept of balance and "karma", etc....very different ways to
> approach it but, essentially, there is more or less the same basic
> underlying message there too...
>
> Heck, even _YODA_ knows this stuff in Star Wars and those Jedi are
> very chivalrous Arthurian knights (and King Arthur's _true_ historical
> significance was in being the first _Christian_ warrior king...note,
> England didn't actually exist at that point and he was a likely a
> rough-around-the-edges Celtic warrior...but the actual historic record
> going right back to the first record of a "king" called Arthur
> specifically stresses the importance of Arthur: he carried the _cross_
> on his shield...and the historical record makes a big deal about
> that...as it should because the British Isles was not yet supposed to
> be Christian...later on, of course, they cleaned up the myth and
> stories...transplanted them in time to medieval England and gave them
> more "modern" armour and romantised the whole history a bit...Merlin
> was another myth doing the rounds and was married together with the
> Arthur myths...anyway, the Christian elements are still mostly there:
> the round table ("all are equal in the eyes of God" so there's no
> "head" of the table at which the king sits ;), the knights following
> the "noble" code of chivalry, going to seek the Holy Grail,
> etc....basically, the _real_ Arthur was, one supposes, the first
> Christian warrior king who probably won a lot of battles and made lots
> of good pacts with other kings and all his people thought him a
> fantastic king that his name got into legend and myths permanently
> that, even today, we all know about King Arthur...even if, well, the
> stories today are so distorted from the reality of the "bear man"
> Celtic warrior king (that's what "Arthur" means..."arth" is still the
> Welsh word for "bear" today, in fact ;))...
>
> The hero has a thousand faces...all the myths and legends of the world
> are essentially the same in the underlying messages and truths...but
> this is to be expected, in fact...we're all human, we're all on the
> same planet, we're all subject to the same forces of Nature, the same
> _TRUTHS_ apply to us all, etc....it was humans themselves that
> invented these _PATENTLY ABSURD_ notions that because there was a
> river and a mountain, they'd draw a line on a map, create a flag of
> different colours and then proceed to kill each other repeatedly in a
> periodic cycle because of...well...it's anyone's guess why humans
> insist on this nonsense...but, regardless, humans have insisted on it
> for thousands of years and will, no doubt, keep doing it until it's
> simply not possible to do so anymore (Judgement Day? Which you can
> read as the Biblical or Hollywood "Arnie" one...again, different
> actors at a different theatre but the same basic play in which we are
> all actors playing our part :)...
>
> So, remember, kids:
>
> "Fear and Anger the path to the Dark Side is, young padawan Annakin"
> [ Yoda! :) ]
>
> "The only way to win, is to _deny_ the battle"
> [ Daniel Jackson learns in an episode of Stargate, for those who
> prefer that to Star Wars ]
>
> Yup, Jesus right next to pop culture references...I don't care
> because, you see, that's my whole entire point here...the colour of
> someone's skin (which, by the way, in Jesus' case was NOT likely to be
> white whatsoever ;)...the media by which you learn your lessons in
> truth (movie or holy book)...the person speaking and / or
> listening...these are _independent_ of the message...independent of
> the truth..."From the mouths of babes...", as the saying goes...which
> is why I never killfile on principle...
>
> So to speak, we accepted the apology long before you actually offered
> it ;)
>
> Beth :)
>

WARNING *** Religious crap follows. Do not read *** WARNING

Hmm. Nice to have you back Beth ! I agreea, with most everything you say,
deep down. Its just that I think that say "Jesus", or "God", is like a stage
in human evolution. They are sort of like scapegoates when something goes
wrong. We are not doing good in beliving in them forever. Sooner or later we
going to have to belive in ourselfes. Thats the main point from Jesus
preaching I still feel carries some truth.

But then He did something really stupid, he killed himself, or rather walked
into death, only known to him by his own "inner voices?". And he even made
the terrible mistake of beliving that God would require of him to die
(according to myth). But "God" (Whatever that is) would never require that
one man would die, and suffer in such way, cause such a "God" would sooner
or later be found to have been a lesser "God". And who can belive in a
lesser "God" ? IMO. This "proves" the story wrong ! A lesser "God" is not
possible. Even if you swallow all the BS about it. Further more Jesus
believed (according to myth) that him dying would actually "save" other from
dying, and religious people, many many millions of deaths later, still
belives it. Am I not entitled to laugh ?

We dont need Christianity or Buddism or any form of religion. We only need
to look around us. "God" (Creator) has "placed" his creations everywhere in
great diversity. All that is needed is to observe it. Any message from "God"
would be there. And if you dont find them, dont worry, you are proably
amoung the healthiest of persons, just laugh at it and carry on. God dont
need secondhand communication or a book to carry its voice. It does not need
anything from us. Maybe it needs us in some way, but not in some higly
neurotic way like in the Bible. We are made in Gods image ? Then God needs
us like a mother needs her children. Or a programmer needs her sources and
applications ? Have you ever felt the need to delete it all :-) Dont do it.

Read that paragraph again : God does NOT needs secondhand communication.
Yes, means that this whole message is waste of bandwidth and should not be
seen as anything else. YOU are the one to find out for yourself. I like the
phrase from CWG books :
~If God is your target, you're in luck, cause God is so big that you cant
miss it. ~ You dont need anyone else to tell you ***. You dont need CWG,
me, Beth, any religious leader, any other leader. You only need to follow
your own truth. But (IMO) that IS required to get anywhere.
But by the same token, it wouldnt make a bit of difference, since even that
is YOU choosing YOUR path, and that is oki. You see ? Religions and such
philosofy leads nowhere but to have some momentarily fun. Don't belive any
of it. Theres nothing that you HAVE to belive in.

The Bible, like any religion is a sickness. Its human beeings trying to
control and limit other human beeings. The reason for this control is fear.
The fear can be born from many events. But can almost allways be traced back
to fear of loss, and ulimatly to fear of death. Or fear of control. Or a
whole bunch of other reasons. But this fear is really a waste of time. I am
going to die, nomatter how hard I try to avoid thinking it. It is absolutely
unavoidable.

The forces we label negative, like hatred, are but survival tools. They have
no place in a healthy non-threatened human beeing. But they can be a great
source of energy when we have closed down other lighter energy sources from
influensing us.

The worst untruth of all times (and the bulding blocks of all religions), is
that humans are basically evil, unless given some guiding lines. This is the
worst lie purputrated upon all of us and the source of all our misfates and
unhappiness. First and foremost we are created good and healthy, perfectly
suited to the enironment in which we are born. Then comes personal choice,
and sometimes in "sickened" societies, the choices of others. But God is not
an amateur. Even a sick society might be the source of great achievments and
we have not seen the end of it. Maybe e.g. TV is God way of saying, look
until you puke, then wise up, I have time to wait for you to catch up with
me......
"The lotus is burn from the mud ....." ?

E.g Maybe Microsoft Windows is this mud, and soon there will rise a better
OS :-)
ROLLOL.

Definition of good : That which keeps you most healthy and makes you
prospher, in terms of everything that you TOTAL beeing requires.

If you find what I have written to really be religious crap, know that this
religious crap was forced on me as a litle child and that I had no way of
protecting my self back then. Then ask youself if this crap doesnt carry at
least a fragment of truth.