Re: asm

From: Beth (BethStone21_at_hotmail.NOSPICEDHAM.com)
Date: 01/04/04 

Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 05:14:00 -0000

The Half A Wannabee wrote:
> Beth wrote:
> >.....
> > "piss off" when they explained their dreams and ideas...heck, even
> > dreamers themselves seem to have the same built-in instinct to
attack
> > other dreamers too (Rene and Randy, Newton and Hooke, etc.)...
>
> They build up each others strength. Thats all. They actually help
each
> other, by giving new energy into making it better... Dont you think
?

This could and should happen...but it doesn't necessarily...sometimes,
rather than being "friendly competition" that assists in applying
"useful pressure" onto both parties, they simply go to war to
eradicate each other, wiping out each other's work...

I repeat, Newton seriously attempted to erase Hooke from history
completely...and almost succeeded...he even had any portraits of Hooke
burnt (one survived, though) so that people wouldn't even know what he
looked like...to erase any record to the very existence of the man, if
possible...to call it a "grudge" would be understatement...note that
the "Standing on the Shoulders of Giants" comment Newton made to Hooke
in his infamous letter was, most likely, a delibrate _insult_ at Hooke
(brilliant use of language, in fact...what is a great "humble"
statement talking in a general context was actually phrased in a
"you're no good" way to Hooke directly...adding the subtext back in to
what Newton wrote: "If I have seen farther than any other man [ that
is, you, Mr.Hooke ], it is because I was Standing on the Shoulders of
Giants [ whereas, you, Mr.Hooke, are NOT doing so and, therefore, your
works are trivial and small in comparison to mine, which carry on the
work of the Giants themselves ]" ;)...the "any other man" includes
Hooke and, therefore, Newton was NOT being "humble" at all, he was yet
again attacking Hooke...but wrote it with such a brilliant use of
language that Hooke would surely see the implication...but that
history could look back on it and, yes, you _can_ easily miss the
insult because it's very subtle, if you're not looking for it and
don't know how much of a grudge Newton bore against Hooke...it's
probably fair to suggest that he literally dispised the man...after
all, trying to erase someone from history - using his position to
remove Hooke's name from things, burn his pcitures, basically anything
he could do to remove records of him (luckily for Hooke, Newton wasn't
able to do a complete job because erasing someone completely from
history that had done much great works isn't at all easy to do...but
it's fair to say that Newton succeeded in so far as Hooke is less
well-known than he probably should be, considering the many things he
was involved with :) - is a highly extreme action...

> > everything for everyone...what is this instinct? Some species-wide
> > sadism? "look, someone's got an idea to make things better...let's
> > attack them! Let's stop them! We enjoy being backwards and living
in
> > pain and hardship"...let us all live without the lightbulb or the
> > computer or central heating!
>
> "Neo...walking the path is not allways the same as knowing the path
"

Hmmm...indeed, I suppose...

> And besides....HLA is not that much better at all. To compare it
with the
> invention of the Lightbulb....is not really.....fair. Its a do over
!

Oh, wait...sorry, I was NOT meaning to compare HLA to the invention of
the lightbulb at all...you're right...I'm sure even Randy would not
take the slightest bit of offence in me rightly stating that there's
simply no comparison...I was speaking in the context of dreams
generally...

By the way, the introduction of HLA is _Hebert's_ "red herring"...that
had nothing to do with what I was saying at all...I was responding to
"no_name's" comment:

no_name wrote:
> John H. Guillory wrote:
> >Assembly language was "Perfect" for some of us
> >before the "Newer" generation had to come along and re-invent the
> >wheel....
>
> Yes but I like dreaming

This isn't actually a reference to HLA, if you read it properly...for
one thing, the assembly "no_name" is quoting looks mostly like Terse
than anything else...and even if John is referring to HLA with his
"newer generation" comment, then "no_name" isn't when he says "but I
like dreaming"...

Obviously, though, if you thought for even a split-second that I was
comparing HLA to the invention of the lightbulb then other people have
read the above exchange in a completely different way than I did...I
was NOT doing that...I was responding to "no_name's" comment that,
yes, he agrees with John that assembly language was "perfect" for some
before the "newer" generation came along...but that he likes to dream
of wider possibilities, different methods, new techniques, etc....and
I was seconding that, indeed, such possibilities should be saught out
and not killed off to stick to some narrow set of things...

I see where the confusion could arise so I'll state it explicitly to
Hopefully remove that confusion: I see nothing "mutually exclusive"
with retaining the older "perfect" assembly language _AND_ exploring
the wider possibilities, different methods, new techniques and so
forth of dreams...I'm aware that some people - though I personally
don't understand _why_ they think like this - are certain that this
"old" and "new" are "mutually exclusive"...but I don't see that at all
myself...after all, I didn't see, say, DEBUG or A86 or MASM just
"disappear" or cease to function because of the release of HLA or
RosAsm...which suggests, from actual fact, that this "mutually
exclusive" notion can't actually be real or one could not exist
simultaneously with the other...and, yet, they do without a shadow of
a doubt...

> > Oh, indeed...perhaps one day the "player-haters" will totally get
> > their wish...yup, scientists will just give up...inventors will
all
> > re-train to become on-call plumbers or McDonald's slaves...those
who
> > would lead this world to peace and better times will instead be
> > serving you a big mac and fries...you know, this _could_
happen...if
>
> "...If you found out I flipped burgers down at burger Kings
> would you be ashamed to tell your friends and filing me ?"

Not at all; I'd be ashamed only of the wages they pay you, the
treatment they enforce (no unions permitted and other such policies)
and the contempt they have for fellow human beings...I'm never ashamed
of people, only their odd bit of "bad behaviour"...

> [Repectful snip]
> I read all of it. It was very extremly nice. Thank you. I didnt get
that it
> was King who said that..ignorant me...until the end...so I cancelled
my long
> long rant in respect... Fuckit, only to discover that it wasnt you
but Kings
> words......I am glad I read it all before posting though.....(Did
you do
> that intentionally) ? Tramp!

Actually, they are both mine and King's words...I risked daring to
edit the historic speech because the original was specifically about
discrimination against "the Negro"...I simply "generalised" it - with
as little changes as possible while trying to make sure it still read
well - to any and all discrimination...period...but, as I mentioned,
in the final paragraphs, King himself started talking more
"generically" too that some parts are completely unedited...that, to
me, is, of course, the strength of that speech and why I edited it the
way I did to make that strength crystal-clear...if one has ever been
discriminated against, then one can understand it and it is speaking
to you too...my "edit" was simply to do the "translating" to wider
discrimination automatically for people to see that strength too...

If you compare to the original, you'll note that there is a section or
two that's completely me...King never mentioned Gandhi...but the link
is clear - so I just made it _explicit_ so everyone can see it -
because they were both firmly "non-violent" for exactly the same
reasons...

And, well, you probably wouldn't get it that it was adapted from
King's "I have a dream" speech because one of my alterations was to
change the most famous bit - "I have a dream" - into "we have a
dream"...so the bit you'd be likely to recognise was put into the
"edit"...but the pronoun change was necessary to make explicit another
point: _everyone_ is discriminated against...for different reasons,
different "degrees and measures"...but the whole race perpertrates
this discrimination on the rest of the entire human race...our "enemy"
is ourselves...or what we often allow ourselves to become...when King
talks of persecutor and persecuted sitting down together at the same
table, this is what he means and also shows how it could so very
easily be different...we just have to choose to be determined to make
that change...

Beth :)

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