Re: Mindless dodo.

From: The Wannabee (faq_at_.@.@.@.@.@szmyggenpv.com)
Date: 04/22/04

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    Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 08:56:54 +0200

    På Thu, 22 Apr 2004 02:48:50 +0100, skrev Beth
    <BethStone21@hotmail.NOSPICEDHAM.com>:

    > Robert Redelmeier wrote:
    >> The Wannabee wrote:

    > I agree with what Robert says; Simply, if you want to get respect,

    No. I want self-respect. I have no need for anything else, in the respect
    department.

    > then you've also got to show it...who's now going to trust you enough
    > to send personal Emails to you _for any reason_, when they aren't sure
    > what or where you'll go posting it up?

    It wasnt a personal email at all, it was lobbying, from someone calling
    itself suggy, the moderator. It was a question for me to behave, so it
    could fit with his image of whats is valid to post in the colosseum. It
    was nothing remotly personal about it, it was like a letter from
    management, telling you to keep you mouth shut and get in line.

    Its called sensoring. You either have free speach or you dont. There is no
    good middleground. Giving a single guy the responsibility to deside whats
    goes or not, is called a totalitary regime. The worst kind. They may start
    out as a good thought. Even an honerable idea. But people are not perfect.
    Emotion can be easily pushed towards changes. Biases can result (allready
    have), and hell is broken loose. People who think "beeing objective" is
    possible, and who belives them self to be it, are very seldom, if ever
    right. Again, I am speaking from experience. Life is a journey, and
    everyone must travel it. Beeing here now, doesnt mean I wasnt there, back
    then. And that I cant go there again, in the next cycle.

    Granted, people should not talk
    > behind other people's backs but then simply reply via Email to them:
    > "Sorry, I don't talk behind people's backs like that...put it on the
    > newsgroup to give the person (or other people) the right of reply to
    > your comments...or, otherwise, we just don't talk about that at all
    > and I won't respond to it"..

    Yes. Another rule of conduct. Why ? To lighten the burden on someone ego?
    What diffrence would it make? Except for the obvious. You seem to be
    thinking throught a filter of damage control. And no greater vision is at
    the end of it. As long a people cant stand free speech, war will allways
    be a useful tool. Because diversity is a law of nature, then wars will
    never seize. You have to swallow you pride sometimes, but nobody should
    deny you from expressing it. At least a few times. I allow people to say
    what they want to me. Its of no consern to me what they _say_ about me. My
    actions speak for themselfes. This friendly advising me how to conduct, it
    just make me laugh.

    > Although, NOT that I actually saw anything like this in the Email you
    > posted at all...seems like he was, at most, bad-mouthing YOU _directly
    > to your face_...and it could be considered that the private Email was,
    > therefore, merely trying to be _respectful to you_ in not "airing your
    > dirty laundry" in front of everyone else...

    It was not a private email. It was "annonymous", and from the moderator.
    E.g from someone in "authority".

    > Who's sluggy? Don't know...but we do know you...so,

    Hehe. imo : You are so wrong, thats like saying : WE do know YOU. Couldnt
    even think of beeing that arrogant. I dont even know the first thing about
    you. But of course then again. I could be this arrogant.....

    > consider, the only
    > person disadvantaged by you posting that up was yourself...indeed, if
    > you're contemplating "revenge", never forget to do it with a cool
    > head...or should it backfire, guess who ends up having the muck thrown
    > in their face...as the saying goes, "revenge is a dish best served
    > cold"...

    Bab. If I could be hurt from what people think about me, I just stop
    saying anything. I dont care ! I know who I am. I know what I need to do,
    and how to do it. I know whats on stake, and whats not. I know Im not
    spesial, and that spesial is what we all are. I know I am mortal, and I
    know I make mistakes. I know I fluctuate, that I do and say stupid things.
    That people hurt me, that some days is good, and some days are bad, and
    thatsometimes I hurt them. Its called life. The sky isnt allways blue, but
    today it is, and Beth, I am one of those people who dont need an
    umbrella. I dont think the rain is changing me or my mood. Its is me
    reacting to the rain negatively, that changes me. So I just dont react
    negatively to the rain; take off my hat, and enjoy the raindrops falling
    down my face. When not biased, the raindrops actually sometimes feels
    good. Knowing that inside I am warm and dry, and perfectly safe. I know
    that living is now, and that utopia is not a permanent state, nor pain. I
    know whats an agent, and whats not. Its life. Headaches, massages,
    kisses,hugs, shouting, people mocking you. People resenting your hair,
    your clothes, your attitude. Let them have their fun, I have mine. Belive
    me, I have mine as well :-)

    >
    >> > I cant stand people sensoring other people or talking
    >> > being each other back, so I share it with you.
    >>

    > Indeed, again, "best served cold"...if they bad-mouth people without
    > justification behind other people's backs then, you know, they do
    > themselves a disservice in doing so...the people they are bad-mouthing
    > to start to think to themselves: "Wait a minute! Does he also talk to
    > other people about me behind my back like that?"...do it too often and
    > that seed of doubt grows into a likely possibility...well, no telling
    > someone like that anything, they'll just blurt everywhere without
    > thinking or considering anyone else's feelings...actually, do I want
    > to be talking to this person at all? If all they do is bad-mouth about
    > the people they talk to, then perhaps it's better to simply
    > "disassociate" from them so that I don't end up a target of being
    > bad-mouthed all the time...blah-blah-blah...you can work out the
    > string of events from here on in...

    I have allways evaluated people on a individual basis. I found nurses I
    respect more than Jesus. I found a washing lady who makes more sense then
    the pope. The higher they sit, the more redicolous they seem, to me. I
    thought you knew all this. You give sometimes such nice posts, sugesting
    that you do. But maybe _you_ are just parroting someone.(Hehe, now you can
    start comming beth, I know I just made you furious:-) ) Dont fall into the
    trap of thinking : If I say this about you, it means you will allways
    appear that way to me. I allways respond to the last mail, everyone is new
    in every new moment. Its really true. If first time you met a person she
    is a bright smiling star, and the next time you met her, she is a troll.
    Is she a bright star, or a troll? Or both? What if you happen to met her
    at her bright days only. What if she hides the Troll. Is she a bright
    star, or a Troll or both? If you dont allways know her, and not know her
    inner thoughts, how can you ever think you know her at all. Maybe her
    inner world is vaster then the outer? This is imo what was ment with
    judging. It had nothing to do with everlasting damnation, but with judging
    people, with boxing them up, labeling them and be done with it. And as
    such making you own world smaller and closed off as well. The funny thing
    is, christians seem (boxing them up here ...) allways to be the first
    people to box you. Its even part of their religion. You shall not have any
    other God than me (or go to hell). At once portraying God as some neurotic
    needy amateur, and deeply threat you with EVERLASTING fire. I dont belive
    in such a small image of God. It would in my view be very arrogant. Not
    that I dont enjoy beeing arrogant.....00.......and so on and so forth....

    >
    > "We are what we repeatedly do; Being an arsehole, therefore, is not an
    > act but a habit"
    > [ Inspired by Aristotle but written by me, seeing as you prefer "own
    > words" ;) ]

    Own words:
    Sometimes I do sometimes I dont. Thats were most people have the most
    problems. They want to box you in to beeing this or that. It may feel
    comfortable to them, but its really an "evil" act to the human spirit. And
    is what cause relationships to fail. The woman I was with last time, is
    now comming back to me. I had no problem with her seeing some other guy. I
    knew; however much I didnt like it, there was really nothing I could do.
    But we stayed friends. Now maybe we get back together. But if she tries to
    box me, or own me, or limit me again. Then we will depart again. But when
    thats not happening, when the fair of loosing control - the fair of loss -
    doesnt not interfere, we can enjoy some good _moments_. I hate
    relationships, but I love good moments.

    > Beth :)

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