Re: A fucking bunch of lying pussies

From: The_Sage (theeSage_at_azrmci.net)
Date: 05/31/04 

Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 09:42:27 -0700

>Reply to article by: donkey <donkey*nospam*@ntl.sympatico.ca>
>Date written: Mon, 31 May 2004 01:44:19 -0400
>MsgID:<3Dzuc.79843$tb4.3067299@news20.bellglobal.com>

>Those quotes were not from The Wannabe, his only contribution were the
>insults and swear words. Most of the ones that got him pissed of were mine.

>Well, the clause you posted does say "do not apply to those sections
>when you distribute them as separate works", that would imply that they
>cannot be part of the source of the main program but only as a
>"separate" program. This is what I indicated in my post. In other words
>you cannot have freeware sections integrated in a GPL program, the two
>licenses are not compatible.

Quotes please. I gave you a quote from the GPL license that states that the two
licenses are compatible, so maybe you found a loophole in the license...unless
your loophole is imaginary?

>Also any use of freeware components in a
>GPL program could be construed as an attempt to abrogate the authors
>copyright, even as freeware without restrictions, the original copyright
>holder still has rights under the law, by including his source in a GPL
>application you may be affecting those rights without his permission.

If the freeware is public domain, then it is perfectly legitimate to use that
code where one sees fit, so long as the copyright isn't violated by claiming
false authorship or by not giving credit where credit is due. That is the only
way to violate a copyright. Unless the freeware license specfically states, "Do
not use this code in any GPL work", it is reasonable and fair to do so.

>For example if you were to include his code in a GPL application he
>might no longer have the right to use it in a commercial app without
>violating your license agreement, something you are not allowed to do
>under any circumstances.

Since incorporating freeware code into GPL code does not in any way, shape, or
form, negate, erase, or nullify the freeware license, that is completely
incorrect.

>Also the GPL has little to do with freeware and is certainly not
>"basically the same thing". Freeware is free by definition and that
>includes free for any use. GPL is self propagating restricted open
>source, a very different thing.

By your defintion, even freeware is not free since it has a copyright
restriction. But this is besides the point, the point being you are now
contradicting yourself: how can freeware be free for any use if, as you claim
without evidence, it cannot be incorporated into GPL applications? That seems
very restrictive for FREEware, but rather than answer that question with some
mearsay and hearsay, instead, please quote the GPL to validate your claims, that
way we can judge if your argument is based on blind faith assertion or actual
fact.

The GPL states,

   "If you wish to incorporate parts of the Program into other free programs
   whose distribution conditions are different, write to the author to ask for
   permission. For software which is copyrighted by the Free Software
   Foundation, write to the Free Software Foundation; we sometimes make
   exceptions for this. Our decision will be guided by the two goals of
   preserving the free status of all derivatives of our free software and of
   promoting the sharing and reuse of software generally"
  (http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html)

which makes the GPL licensing even more flexible than freeware licensing. Since
freeware has no provision for enforcing the propagation of the freeware
movement, as GPL does, freeware does the public no long lasting favor, and that
makes the GPL superior to freeware...not to mention, GPL has a slew of lawyers
to back up it's license whereas freeware, at the most, has only one.

The Sage

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