Re: Jeff Duntemann Reviews AoA

From: Jim Carlock (anonymous_at_127.0.0.1)
Date: 06/24/04

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    "Randall Hyde" wrote:
    > Check it out:
    > http://www.duntemann.com/Diary.htm
    >
    > Scroll down to the June 19th log

    Just passing some comments along. I suspect Duntemann might
    read the newsgroup here, and he was asking about routers with
    NAT capabilities, I've seen such routers at a couple local
    computer stores. I've bought one a few years ago for a family
    member. http://www.dlink.com has quite a few, and some 4-port
    models are available for $45.00 and maybe less. It was in the
    year 2002 that I bought such a model and it had some really neat
    features, and it sold for about $80.00 U.S. at that time.

    However, I suggest getting a firewall setup before every hooking
    up to the Internet. http://grc.com/dcom/ There's some information
    there suggesting using a firewall. I do NOT recommend using the
    FireWall stuff that comes with WinXP or 2K or Win9x.

    Get an older version ( from http://www.oldversion.com/ ) for Win9x.

    I've had problems with the old versions running on XP. So get a
    newer version from http://www.zonelabs.com/. And make sure
    you download the file and put it on a CD or USB drive before
    hooking up to the internet. The only problem with the newer
    versions, is that they have nag windows and will eventually shut
    down and be a pain. http://www.grc.com does have a couple
    tests it can run on your connection to determine open ports and
    such.

    If Duntemann or any one else has any questions or comments,
    feel free to post them.

    And as for reading about the AoA and HLA on his sight, I see
    that Duntemann has it in his mind that HLA is taking a top down
    approach and that other folks take a bottom up approach.

    And I'm sure all parties know there is NOT an argument in
    about which method is best, all I will say is that both methods
    should be learned. And I am adamant in this statement
    because everyone who has written a larger program knows
    about the cycle of looking at the broad picture (eg, a report
    must be printed from a set of data) and then realizing that
    you need to present that data on the screen in some fashion,
    before it gets sent to a printer, and then the process of
    breaking out the different tasks needs to be done. I find it
    very hard to think about the small details without having a
    global goal in mind. And I find it very hard to get to the
    global objective without breaking the global objective down
    into smaller objectivers:

    1) Display form on screen,
    2) Provide mechanism to grab specific criteria,
    3) Query the database (here, I tend to think of databases
    and recordsets, and generally for reports, I think of passive
    queries, and for updates, I recognize I'll need to think in
    terms of active queries),
    4) Present the querified data for confirmation,
    5) Accept confirmation and print.

    When you look at the steps involved, there is a top-down look,
    and then the functions are built from a bottom-up approach.

    And it in such a manner, things are accomplished, and I propose
    that the whole top-down and bottom-up arguments are both
    required for any serious programmer. And it is the compiler that
    makes things easier and learning about the advantages of the
    compiler is definitely a worthwhile objective. But it may not
    be fully known, unless you have something to compare it against.

    The only thing I haven't seen so far about either assembler,
    Randall Hyde's or Betov's, include genuine applications
    created by the assemblers. I'm not being critical, as there
    seem to be other agendas on the minds of folks. I am just
    ignorant of the existance of such applications.

    I think it will be fair to say that some small applications created
    will speak well about each assembler. I will make a comment
    about AoA, and I must say that there are not enough practical
    samples within the documentation. That is my ONLY complaint
    about reading AoA. I like the documentation, but I think it lacks
    real life practical examples.

    And there are a lot of possible practical samples that can be
    organized. And practical samples would best be summarized in
    a database.

    I'll be gone until the early part of July and I welcome all
    comments. I am not asking Randy to provide a database,
    because I know it's a very big task, but I am suggesting that it
    would be a very worthwhile effort to engage in and I'm
    thinking it would be better managed if someone was managing
    the task, and I can't suggest myself as the managerial type,
    because I'm horrible at management and it's too late for me
    to think about it. It's just an idea.

    There's a lot of good information AoA, and I thank Randall
    for it. Keep up the good work.

    Time to get ready for a trip to San Francisco. :-) 

    -- 
Jim Carlock
http://www.microcosmotalk.com/
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