Re: Jeff Duntemann Reviews AoA

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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 18:07:41 -0600

On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 03:59:14 GMT, "Jim Carlock" <anonymous@127.0.0.1>
wrote:

>"Randall Hyde" wrote:
>> Check it out:
>> http://www.duntemann.com/Diary.htm
>>
>> Scroll down to the June 19th log
>
>Just passing some comments along. I suspect Duntemann might
>read the newsgroup here, and he was asking about routers with
>NAT capabilities, I've seen such routers at a couple local
>computer stores. I've bought one a few years ago for a family
>member. http://www.dlink.com has quite a few, and some 4-port
>models are available for $45.00 and maybe less. It was in the
>year 2002 that I bought such a model and it had some really neat
>features, and it sold for about $80.00 U.S. at that time.

I do read this newsgroup, at least when my needle's not in the red,
though I post only rarely. I really would prefer not to get sucked
into some of the arguments, which get pretty vicious at times. Am I a
bad person for avoiding threads that include statements like "You suck
monkey balls?" Sheesh.

Anyway. Many thanks for posting the link to my Web diary. What I was
actually asking about, however, was a dialup router--that is, a router
with a serial port or a built in V90 modem or something like that. A
friend of mine got clobbered bad by a worm through a dialup. I'm
nagging him to use Zone Alarm, but I really like NAT--it just works.

I'm currently working on a book about email, spam, viruses, and worms,
and if I could find a dialup-compatible NAT-equipped router it would
be useful to cite in the book.

>If Duntemann or any one else has any questions or comments,
>feel free to post them.

No need; I've posted them above! I'm still looking for a cheap dialup
router with built in NAT. Any suggestions heartily pre-thanked for!

>And as for reading about the AoA and HLA on his sight, I see
>that Duntemann has it in his mind that HLA is taking a top down
>approach and that other folks take a bottom up approach.
>
>And I'm sure all parties know there is NOT an argument in
>about which method is best, all I will say is that both methods
>should be learned.

Amen, brother! My point is about teaching methods, not about
development strategies. Randy is a real teacher, who does it for a
living and has for many years; I come at it from more of an
engineering background. You can teach from top down or from bottom up.
I prefer bottom up, because my engineer's curiosity always wants to
know how things work, in detail, before applying the field's
heuristics. But the truth is that real software development emerges
from skillful application of both strategies simultaneously. You MUST
know how it works and you MUST be mindful of all that your betters
have learned over the years. Shorting either side drops the value of
the results of your efforts radically. Naive engineers often produce
spaghetti code; naive computer scientists often implement solutions
grossly inappropriate to the context in which the problem lives. Both
fail.

This was a great post BTW, and I would comment further except that
Carol and I are out the door to see Shrek 2. Another eight hours in a
day would be great; how does one slow a planet down?

--73--

--Jeff Duntemann
  Colorado Springs, Colorado

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