Re: How many here think we should close down alt.lang.asm?

From: Jim Higgins (me7_at_privacy.net)
Date: 09/11/04 

Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 18:12:36 GMT

On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 07:17:01 -0400, in
<9cm5k0hk52b1sphp0i9afggag5r2maprhm@4ax.com>, pH
<high@cidity.level> wrote:

>On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 17:38:41 GMT, Jim Higgins <me7@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>[...]
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>>You are every bit as big a part of the problem as Rene is
>
>That statement is completely *un*called for. Not that (I think, anyway)
>I don't see where you're coming from... more or less, but using that
>rationale... then *every*one who stands up for themselves (or for
>someone else) is "as big a part of the problem".

Yes, exactly - remembering I mean that only in the context of
Usenet. If *EVERYONE* - and I mean that literally - will filter
and ignore Rene, he will be neutralized. When someone who
doesn't filter him (and who isn't filtered by others) responds to
him, then that response becomes visible to all and the crap
starts. When someone won't filter him because they can't stand
the idea that he might say something they'll miss, then
eventually that person responds and it starts again.

Standing up for yourself in a battle of words on Usenet when the
result pollutes all around you is the behavior of 4th graders on
the school playground, not the behavior of adults acting like
adults.

>> - at least in alt.lang.asm.
>
>You either don't get around much, or have a very short memory.

I restricted my remarks to alt.lang.asm because I don't care what
Rene or Randy do in forums I don't read. The only other asm
groups I read regularly are comp.lang.asm.x86 and
borland.public.tasm and I see ongoing problems there. Yes, the
former is moderated. I'm not sure about the latter.

>>If you and your supporters would ignore
>>him completely he would be largely neutralized.
>
>Supporters? Randy happens to be a nice guy. Decent folks tend to
>stand up for people who are unfairly / unjustly / un...whatever, attacked,
>maligned, etc, etc... at *all*, much less endlessly.

Agreed. You seem to think "supporters" is an insult. You are
mistaken. Rene's crap on Usenet doesn't mean or amount to much
of anything in the larger scheme of things, but the rebuttals
trash the group for everyone. Children feel a need to respond to
every insult; adults know better.

>>As that will never happen, new groups for HLA and Rosasm look
>>mighty tempting to me. If you or Rene won't use them once (if)
>>created, then I guess we'll all know what the agendas are and who
>>prefers bickering to actually developing, using, debugging,
>>constructively discussion, etc., the products involved.
>
>Surely you don't doubt, for an instant, that "Rene" will show up wherever
>Randy is. Surely... (he'll tell you that himself. Don't believe me? Ask
>'im yerself. But... surely you know that already, so... )

Of course he will. I thought I recognized that fact specifically
within a few sentences of saying it. And when that happens, what
will be different? I'll tell you. What will be different is
that alt.lang.asm will be rid of it and it will be in
alt.lang.asm.hla or alt.lang.asm.rosasm. That, sir, is at
least a marginal improvement for some and no worse than status
quo for the rest. If not a win-win, it's at least a win-break
even.

Do you begin to understand where I'm coming from now?