Re: How many here think we should close down alt.lang.asm?

From: Jim Higgins (me7_at_privacy.net)
Date: 09/11/04 

Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 18:42:18 GMT

On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 18:02:06 GMT, in
<y_l0d.2824$xA1.1497@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>, "Randall
Hyde" <randyhyde@earthlink.net> wrote:

>
>"Jim Higgins" <me7@privacy.net> wrote in message
>>
>> It isn't the latter... on the basic principle that nothing as
>> easily avoided as alt.lang.asm can force people to behave as some
>> do here. These people volunteer to act as they do and removing
>> ALA won't change their basic nature. The best we can hope for is
>> to create two new groups - alt.lang.asm.hla and
>> alt.lang.asm.rosasm and hope they'll each concentrate their
>> efforts there... and when the must engage each other they do so
>> in these groups and leave ALA alone.
>
>What makes you think that the bickering would move elsewhere?

Let's make this really simple. If alt.lang.asm.hla were created,
would you move your discussion of HLA out of alt.lang.asm?

>Or be eliminated?
>As Hutch pointed out earlier in this thread, Rene needs an audience
>for his hatred. He wouldn't get it in an alt.asm.rosasm newsgroup
>(he already has a RosAsm support board, alt.asm.rosasm would
>be redundant anyway).

He wouldn't have an audience in alt.lang.asm if everyone filtered
him.

>If you think that having such a newsgroup would cause Rene
>to leave ALA alone, you are quite wrong.

Quite likely, but if no one responded to him and everyone
filtered him he would be invisible. The problem is too many
prefer to engage him.

And... lest you wonder why I focus on the HLA folks... they are
the only ones rational enough to see the value to ignoring and
filtering. Much of that other side would use Google to track you
down if you moved elsewhere and failed to leave a forwarding
address. So in case my motives aren't clear, I don't blame you;
it's just that the HLA folks are the only ones that I figure are
even remotely open to being a part of a logical solution to this
mess.

>As for an alt.lang.asm.hla newsgroup, while that might provide
>yet another avenue of support for HLA, many such options
>already exist - the HLA sub-forum on the Win32ASM
>Community board, the HLA sub-forum on the MASMForum
>board, and the Yahoo AoA/HLA group. Those groups are
>moderated, so Rene isn't allowed to spew his nonsense there
>and they are quite reasonable places to go. Who needs an
>unmoderated alt.lang.asm.hla newsgroup when these other
>resources exist already?

You really need to ask? Rene is barred fro spewing in those
moderated forums so he spews in ALA. Give him ALA.hla to spew in
and ALA is free of him and those in ALA.hla are no worse off than
before. Take a hit for the team, man! ;-)

>The only solution to the problem is to moderate this newsgroup
>(which is generally a no-no for the alt.* hierarchy).

For one definition of "solution" you are absolutely correct.
Another definition of "solution" is for everyone to filter him.

What isn't a solution - at least not a good one - is for some to
filter him and some to continue to read and respond to him. Now
for those filtering him the only way to get rid of the crap is to
either filter the responders too or filter any thread in which he
appears. That causes worthwhile material to be lost. It isn't a
solution.

The only "solution" is the one EVERYONE - except of course Rene
and anyone who aligns with him - to cooperates with.

>If the bickering really bothers you, unsubscribe and join
>comp.lang.asm.x86. If you want to discuss other processors,
>then perhaps creating a new comp.lang.asm.XXXX group
>is a better approach.

If that's your final word, then I guess I know how much you
really want help improve this mess.

I don't use Rosasm, and so far haven't been tempted by HLA.
Perhaps my solution is to filter any thread to which either you
or Rene contribute - the whole thread, not just the authors - and
hope there's something left after doing so.

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