Re: Books on why programmers think more than coding

From: Paul (invisiblepaul_at_hotmail.com)
Date: 10/17/04

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    "Beth" <BethStone21@hotmail.NOSPICEDHAM.com> wrote in message news:<P9wad.237$8V4.60@newsfe6-win.ntli.net>...
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    > "Democracy is the government of the people, by the people, for the people."
    > [ Abe Lincoln ]
    >

    Yes but when you look at so called "democracies" the people don't
    actually get to change anything, they only get an opportunity to vote
    every year or whatever and if they don't get their way then they wait
    another year.
    In those so called democratic governments there is still a heirachical
    structure and the average workerbee cannot directly communicate with
    the Queenbee they must write a letter to someone else on the end of
    their branch. Similar to a tree branching out into limbs,branches,
    twigs, mini-twigs, minescule-twigs etc till you get to the leaves if
    the leaves passes a suggestion to it's minescule-twig local counsellor
    then that minescule-twig must first consult its siblings before
    passing it up to the mini-twigs who also must consult their siblings
    but the more levels of heirachy the more complex the maze of
    beaurocracy as the twigs are also interconnected by twines so the
    message must also get passed to other departmental branches for
    authoriztion .The possibility of your message reaching the trunk is
    very low. As you said about the boss working on the shop floor and
    realising that most of the shop floor problems do not even reach the
    boss.
    It is very difficult to achieve structured organisation amongst a
    group of people without having a boss or group of bosses, even in
    nature this is demonstrated with the bee scenario where they worker
    bees are driven to satisfy the queen. The thing that resonates with
    the bees scenario is that each individual can directly interact with
    the queen and I think this is how it works well. In bad organisations
    the ability to directly interact is lost in a confuddle of beaurocracy
    and this is how you end up with highly paid secretaries with job
    titles such as "administrative accounts manager" and those people then
    adopt the persona of a boss and they float about sending meaningless
    memos and wasting company resources whilst pocketing a large salary.
    I think your idea is a good one in the given scenario of the boss
    being an *** but I think the new company would still need a
    shareholder allocated manager , where the shareholders were the
    original group of programmers, and this manger should be responsible
    for general managment of the company . With all shareholders having
    full access to company assets and documents so that no fiddling can
    occur but the manager would not be a boss in the sense that he had any
    power over any of the shareholders. He cannot tell them how to do
    their work because he's a manager not a boss.
    You need to be carefull though as the manager holds a lot of power and
    can get carried away on a power trip and this is when they become
    bosses. The idea of an intelligent adult human being having a 'boss'
    is quite demoralising and uneccessary but there is a need for an
    organisation hub in the way of some form of mangment and those
    managers are often loosely looked upon as bosses
    because in a workplace where there often lots of activity and
    communication between managment and workers the managment tend to
    phscologicaly manouvere themsleves into a socialogical position where
    the workers appear and feel inferior, kinda like a school bully. The
    best kind of managers are the quiet ones who don't interfere with your
    work as they have their job and they respect you with yours. When the
    time comes that the managment are starting to interfere with the
    workers in a negative and demoralising manner it's time for that
    manager to be replaced.
    Remeber too that profits aint everything because you need to spend
    most of your life in work or thinking about it so a relaxed and
    mentally comfortable atmosphere are more important than profits. We
    only need to make enough money to live comfortably and support the
    company and its shareholders. Some managers like to think they are
    going to be voted the financial times most succesfull business of the
    year and overpush workers and cut corners to attempt to increase
    productivity and sometimes this does make for extra profits but its
    not worth a miserable life .:)

    Paul.

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