Re: this is the time to pray

From: Betov (betov_at_free.fr)
Date: 01/15/05 

Date: 15 Jan 2005 11:07:40 GMT

Percival <dragontamer5788@yahoo.com> écrivait
news:pan.2005.01.15.01.34.00.77705@yahoo.com:

> As you know that your lack of beliefs is causing you pain, you enforce
> bullshits on others, in an otherwise peaceful and fully debated
> discussion.

The one with a "life pain" is _you_, Percival. Not me.
I do not need to believe in something that does not
exist to bear my life, and, in that matter, i am some
kind of real _adult_ animal, whereas you are a child
who needs to be told fairy tails.

The ones "inforcing bullshits on others" have never been
the ones who do not believe in any god, but, all the
contrary, as shown so many times by history, the religious
believers. The situation is not at all symetric: On one
hand _you_ need to "inforce your bullshits on others",
because the more people believing in your bullshits, the
more confident you will feel about it. On the other hand,
would it not be a constant aggressions of believers upon
sane individuals, the sane individuals would never start
talking about something that does not exist.

The ones not able to have "a peaceful and fully debated
discussion" are the ones who need to believe in something
that does not exist. We have never seen, along the human
history, sane individuals killing and torturing to death
believers so that they could turn sane back. We have seen
the opposite quite often.

> Look into yourself before seeing who is crazy here, Why
> would YOU require to force us to believe that we are crazy,
> if you truly are superior in thought to us, why would you
> even bother?

When the doctor of a pshychiatric hospital meets his
patients, he does not discuss with them about how
well the doctor feels. I _am_ superior to you, on that
point, that i am _sane_ and that you are _diseased_.

Why i _must_ bother, is because, i belong to a civilization
that had to suffer from christianism for more than 1000
years. Now, we are hopefully getting out of that religious
***, by the grace of science. This had been a _LONG_ war,
that we have won against obscurantism, and this is why i
cannot let you spread your mental disease on our heads
again, without reacting, without trying to defend _my_
civilization against such a demential and out of date
aggression.

You are ill. Cure yourself. Learn out to live with doubt
and with uncertain things. Learn how to live without
"knowing" everything. Learn how to walk without cruches.
After having done this, if you still have some mystical
aspiration, experiment by yourself without the deadfull
"help" of the fucky religions. The way to yourself, in
such experimentations, cannot be given to you, in full
words, in any book. Even the greatest myticals having
lived on earth (the oriental mysticals and the occidental
alchymists) have never succeeded anything best than poor
indications on the experimental road, and these "soul heros"
have _never_ talked about any "God" that you could "pray".

Betov.

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