Re: this is the time to pray

From: Percival (dragontamer5788_at_yahoo.com)
Date: 01/18/05 

Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 18:26:42 -0500

On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 19:59:24 +0100, The /\\o//\annabee wrote:

> På Mon, 17 Jan 2005 11:00:00 -0500, skrev Percival
> <dragontamer5788@yahoo.com>:
>
>> If we have a "soul", then that is the thing that makes us beyond animals
>> and computers, and thus impossible to have AI.
>
> "Soul" (or whatever) has nothing / little todo with intelligence.
> Intelligence has a method. Implementing it is "trivial", given unlimited
> CPU power. Implementing a "Soul" is not, while theres no definition as to
> what it is. To define intelligence is rather easy. Or non-complicated.
> Given enough resources and programmers and CPU power to create it.
>
>> If we don't have a soul, then it is a matter of science before we can
>> develop true artificial intelligence, as we are like a computer.
>
> We do not know what a "soul" is. Its just hookipooo. Without a definition,
> supported by facts, we cannot immitate it. Much less understand it. AI, on
> the other hand is fully possible to implement. And RI as well. When I feel
> more upto it, if needed, I draw you a scetch to prove it.
>
> But, RI is allready beeing implemented many places. One appliance is in
> scanning peoples retina, or faces, or cars numbers, or a signal from their
> drivers licence and make dessisions according to this. This is simple AI,
> compared to humans perhaps, but it goes without saying that to have it
> all, the full 5 senses, and even some extra, really really scary
> ***-senses, is just a matter of computing power.
>
> In this sense, a roboto can fake fully, the part of a human that is
> closest to resembling a machine. However, it will not become magically
> self-aware, without us first beeing able to define what that is in
> scientific unquestionable terms.

If there is nothing special about us, no soul in us, then why can a robot
not be just like us?

You cannot argue both at the same time. As kain said, admit that a
computer can theoretically become self-aware, just like a human, or admit
that we have something special that we would never be able to give to a
machine.

I am talking about true AI, not just this automation thing. I'm talking
about those robots that will be smart enough to outsmart humans from
things they are learned on their own, not preprogrammed to do. (not a
chess machine for example, but a machine that reads in a book how to play
chess and then plays it and beats a human)

Percival

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