Re: book on assembly language

På Thu, 07 Apr 2005 21:19:06 -0700, skrev The_Sage <The_Sage@xxxxxxx>:

Reply to article by: "\\o/annabee" <http://www.TheWannabee.org>
Date written: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 08:12:26 +0200
MsgID:<opsoul60mo8ujdc3@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

Companies and programmers abandoned ASM years ago,
because programming in a higher-level language is superior to in terms of
maintainability,

The world changes. You do not seem to keep up. I use Rosasm every day,
that is significant. I stopped using Delphi because of it! I used borland
tools since before bpw 1.0 How would I ditch all those years and
200000++ lines of modular mostly working code, for Rosasm, if I was
religious only?

So you think that just because you use Rosasm every day, that the whole rest of
the world does too? That's like saying "I speak chinese every day" and assume
that everyone else must speak or want to speak chinese too. And you think just
because you abandoned Delphi for Rosasm, that proves Rosasm is better than
Delphi and the rest of the world will follow in your footsteps? That is exactly
the type of thinking that a religious person resorts to, ie -- you blindly
believe everything revolves you and what you do or think, and you never bother
to find out what the real world is like apart from yourself. Your "logic" reeks
of blind faith fanaticism in the way you assume, based merely on your own
personal experience alone, that you can create a complete sound argument soley
on just what you do and think all by your lonesome. You obviously have the one
and only assembler God and all the other assembler Gods are false.

;-)) No but if a fact is true for me, in all liklyhood true for others as well.
Theres great diffrence between programming and religion ? At least thats how I view it. But you maybe think this notion comes from religious beliefe as well?



But let's discuss this from a non-personal (read: non-religious) point of view
instead of your "I [the Wannabee] am the center of the universe" one, ie -- what
does real life history record about real life people's preferences in actual
programming languages? Why did the vast majority of people switch from ASM to an
HLL, in history past? In other words, what happened in the actual world that
caused people to abandon ASM in droves and flock to the anti-ASM HLLs? A simple
web search reveals that the vast majority of web sites on the history of
programming do not even mention assembly language in the history of programming
langauges, as if it wasn't even considered a programming language. That just
goes to demonstrate just how little effect ASM ever had on the evolution of
programming and just how incredibly small the user base has been all along. The
evolution of programming has been towards machine code independence, which means
that ASM is as primitive and as backwards as one can get from the ultimate
purpose of a programming language. See
http://www.stsc.hill.af.mil/crosstalk/2003/02/Schorsch.html for example.

What you call evolution, I see as only _one_ branch of many possible. Also, using the "croud" ways as a directional arrow,is something I would never think to see _you_ doing.



So in real life, you are actually still living in the 40's instead of keeping up
with the evolution of programming that has occured in the last 60 years. But of
course, being the religious fanatic that you are, you will deny this all with
facts or evidence, and you will resort to with more of your lame "mine and only
my experience with ASM has been...".

I say whats mine experience. This is all that I can do. You, are voicing someone _elses_ experience. This is both a lie and useless, because, every word you say comes from mainstream medias, and has been heard 1000 times, and its been verified to be wrong. You havent verified it, and thats why its good that those who really have, is telling about it.



I work much faster with Rosasm. and code run much faster even i I am new
to asm.

I imagine you do work faster with Rosasm than you do any other language because
I also imagine you are so incompetent with other languages that you cannot do
any useful programming on them at all. Case in point: What applications are you
writing? Let me guess: you are writing some game like tic-tac-toe or some
useless screen saver that does elementary things like plasmas or fractals or a
bunch of "Hello World!"- like demos or code snippets...but no full fledged CAD
programs or word processors or 1st person games or browsers or email programs.
In other words, you are not creating anything that anyone would consider paying
or donating money to.

Nope, I am writing a GUI. And no, I am a hobbyist, only working when fun, no timetable. But for the hours put in, what comes out is better for less work. Even if I maybe a suck, programmer, have nothing with the issue at hand. If asm make suck programmers better, then this is good.


readability, and quality due to ease of debugging.

100% wrong. You're a really suck truth seeker.

What kind of lame mantra is that? You are so convincing...naught! 

But your really are a suck truthseeker, so mantra fit perfectly.


In other
words, except for the ASM fanatics in this newsgroup, the rest of the
world agrees that ASM sucks.


Again taking the crowd way, what a stimuli to intellect :-)))



No, even non-programmers know that asm is best, at least every gamer.

Prove it.

:-) Every gamer is , in this context, the once I have interviewed. I did not record the conversations,
but it seem to hold generally true. But I agree its not a fact, and it cannot be proven.

How about you proving the "rest of the world" statement above?


But
they wrongly belive that it is more difficult to use, when listening to
the fools like you propagating myths.

Oh, I see! You are the only one who can get it right and it is the vast majority
of the rest of the world that can't get it right. You are the ASM Messiah and
you are the only one who can save the world from the anti-ASM, but the anti-ASM
has clouded the minds of unbelievers.

Right!

No, but you speak of things you do not know. i at least have some first level knowledge of both asm and hlls, and asm, at least in the form of rosasm, is orders of magnitude easier to work with.


Shame on you for recenting truth for folklore!

The shame in on you for not be able to defend your make believe version of truth
with anything more than a lame "just because I say so".

And you for not admitting that somethings must be experienced for beeing able to see fact.
A two year old may not agree that 2+2 is 4, and gets confirmation from its screaming baby peers, but
2+2 is 4 nevertheless.


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