Re: High Level Assembly (HLA)



Betov wrote:
>
> I am against HLA because 1) it is not an Assembler,

Have you said this to yourself enough times that *you've* begun to
believe it? Did it ever occur to you that very few people buy *your*
definition of what an assembler is? And as you've yet to provide a
definition of an assembler that excludes MASM and HLA (your two prime
targets in your propaganda campaign) that doesn't also disqualify your
own product, how are you to say that HLA and MASM aren't assemblers?

And even if you come up with a definition that excludes MASM and HLA
while including RosAsm, just remember, any definition that excludes
MASM is not going to be accepted by 99% of the x86 assembly language
programmers out there. IOW, your definition is useless for purposes
other than propaganda.


> and 2)
> because it is deturning beginners from Assembly.

Actually, it is your acerbic posts that is scaring people away from
assembly language. Thankfully, ALA is a rarely-visited newsgroup in the
big scheme of things, and you're not visible elsewhere, so the damage
you do is quite limited.

>
> Plus, i am not "against HLA succeeding". This is impossible,
> as HLA cannot succeed in any way.

Whatever you say. Then again, the last time I checked the RosAsm
support board you had, what, 80 members? HLA is still growing at a clip
of a couple hundred users a month. Lots of college classes are
employing HLA. There are tons of downloads of the HLA system each month
(and even if you subtract 95% of the downloads and chalk them up to net
'bot accesses, HLA is *still* doing very good). And lots of people are
still joining the AoAProgramming group on Yahoo each week.

> HLA is complete failure
> case and, dispiting the so called "success", with missleading
> beginners, it can't have real users writting real Applications,
> as opposed to the real Assemblers.

Whatever you say. Of course, we've seen how you define the term "real
applications" to suit your arguments, just like you redefine the term
"assembler." ("It's not a real application, it's just a DOS-style text
adventure game." "It's not a real application, it just an assembler
for the 6809." "It's not a real IDE, it's just a 'brick & brock'
[whatever that is] IDE." And so on and so on...).



> > I don't promote HLA Adventure to promote HLA Adventure; I promote HLA
> > Adventure to promote HLA.
>
> This is _EXACTLY_ what i am pointing to.

And the problem with that? Are you saying that people aren't writing
RosAsm demos to promote RosAsm? Have you looked at Wannabee's stuff
lately?

>
> Exactly what i am saying: All that noise is _NOT_ about
> this pathetic Text game, but is nothing but HLA Propaganda.
> In other words, you use your "work" to damage Assembly.

Yes, writing applications in assembly language "damages" assembly.
Remember the argument you keep having with Herbert about whether real
apps are written in assembly? It would seem to me that if someone is
writing an application in *any* assembler, you could use that fact to
further the concept of your "assembly rebirth". But, no, you can't
stand the fact that this "assembly rebirth" of your's is taking place
with products like MASM and HLA rather than your own baby.

>
> Mind you, if all the guys writting something, with a real
> Assembler, where overflowing this News Group, with junk
> Posts, for one year, with each small App, for promoting
> RosAsm, NASM, FASM and GoAsm, during more than one year,
> this would be boring also.

True. This newsgroup would be so boring if it was actually used for its
intended purpose - discussing assembly language applications - rather
than acting as Rene Tournois' own soapbox and mechanism of
self-promotion.
Cheers,
Randy Hyde

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