Re: High Level Assembly (HLA)



Betov wrote:
>
> We have never seen any definition of the word "Assembler",
> that could include an HLL Pre-Parser.

We have never seen a "preparser" outside of RosAsm, either.

>
>
> > Whatever you say. Then again, the last time I checked the RosAsm
> > support board you had, what, 80 members? HLA is still growing at a clip
> > of a couple hundred users a month. Lots of college classes are
> > employing HLA. There are tons of downloads of the HLA system each month
> > (and even if you subtract 95% of the downloads and chalk them up to net
> > 'bot accesses, HLA is *still* doing very good). And lots of people are
> > still joining the AoAProgramming group on Yahoo each week.
>
> Where are your HLA victims Applications?

Who cares? Wisely, they are shielding them from you because you'd just
attack them personally, as you have Sevag and Paul. Though it is
amusing that you *still* use this line after complaining that people
are posting discussions of their HLA applications on this very board.


>
> RosAsm users' ones are (very partialy) there:

Who cares? That has nothing to do with whether or not RosAsm is or
isn't an assembler. The fact that you've collected a few user demos on
your web page is hardly what defines what is and is not an assembler.

As for the fact that RosAsm's demos may be more advanced than some
user-written HLA demos, that's pretty much a given at this point. The
HLA user base is built up of beginning programmers. It will take time
before the larger user base increases to the point where you find a
large number of HLA apps as you would, say, MASM apps (the RosAsm base
is so pathetically small, I'm certainly not setting my goals to achieve
that level).


>
>
> > [...]And the problem with that? Are you saying that people
> > aren't writing RosAsm demos to promote RosAsm? Have you
> > looked at Wannabee's stuff lately?
>
> No. There was none, as Half does not have a Web connexion
> actually.

I guess Guga doesn't either. How's the disassembler coming along? Can't
make any progress on it on your own?

>
> So said, "Wannabee's stuff" really diserves, at least, to
> be noticed, as this is some real impressive work.

Yes, we were *all* impressed by his last set of claims about how he
rewrote the Delphi VCL. They were about as amusing as your claims that
you'd created a totally custom edit tool for RosAsm.

While Wannabee is busy hacking out incomplete demos that aren't very
robust, you're seeing HLA users crank out IDEs (and porting them to
Windows *and* Linux) and other stuff.

>
>
> > Yes, writing applications in assembly language "damages" assembly.
>
> No. It does not. What does damage Assembly is when writing
> Applications with a weird HLL and saying that it is Assembly.

You mean, like RosAsm? Whether you claim HLL-like control structures
are macros or not in RosAsm, the bottom line is that you use a HLL-like
programming style in RosAsm. The fact that you call those HLL
statements "macros" doesn't change one thing. The fact that those
macros are built into MASM, TASM, and HLA doesn't mean a single thing
to your average assembly language programmer. What they see is that you
use HLL-like control structures in your code and then complain about
their presence in other assemblers. Doesn't make much sense to most
people (then again, neither do most of your posts). When you give up
the HLL-like programming style in your RosAsm code, you'll have a leg
to stand on when you make this complaint. Until then, it's all
syntactical nit-picking with absolutely zero differentiation between
the products (other than the fact that MASM, TASM, and HLA do a much
better job of what you're trying to do with your macros).

Nice try with your propaganda, though. But anyone who has bothered to
peruse your source code immediately knows that you're spouting nonsense
here. *RosAsm* is the weird HLL.
Cheers,
Randy Hyde

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