RosAsm's Disassembler is going *INTERACTIVE*!



Betov wrote:
> >
> > And *how* long have you been working on RosAsm?
>
> As written in B_U_Asm: Since September 1998.
>
>
> > As I seem to recall,
> > you released the first version (SpAsm) about the same time HLA
> > appeared.
>
> Liar.

Well, let's see then. Spasm, 1998. HLA, 1999. At this point, it's fair
to claim they came out about the same time. You're claiming you were
out a year before. That only helps my claim that you've been a little
less productive over the years.

>
>
> > And during the past five years I've managed to write several
> > books and I'm about half-way to 2/3 the way through a complete rewrite
> > of HLA (something that RosAsm desparately needs, I might point out).
>
> You never wrote anything that would diserve to be noticed,
> and you probably never will.

Well, whether it deserves to be noticed or not, my stuff is getting
noticed. Poor RosAsm, 80 users on the support board after almost
*seven* years. Whether it deserves to get noticed or not, it sure
doesn't *seem* to be getting noticed by many people.


>
>
> > I've even had some time to counter a lot of your B.S. in this
> > newsgroup. Oh, and I've held a full-time job throughout all of this.
> >
> > What do you have to show? A disassembler that isn't quite done yet? An
> > assembler that doesn't support the basic things that people want, such
> > as libraries? Bugs in your symbol table management code that you've not
> > been able to eradicate after nearly a year?
>
> Well, the list of RosAsm Componenets and Features sets would
> be a bit too long for an ALA Post,

See
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.lang.asm/browse_frm/thread/948f40963fea07af/02d5daed06bc99b8?hl=en#02d5daed06bc99b8


> but your own *** is quite
> easy to list:
>
> Propaganda, bullshits

Again, see
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.lang.asm/browse_frm/thread/948f40963fea07af/02d5daed06bc99b8?hl=en#02d5daed06bc99b8

I really like the unsubstantiated line about "fastest of all actual
assemblers." Talk about propaganda and B.S. :-)


> and a pathetic HLL Pre-Parser that
> nobody could use for writing anything serious.

It really annoys you that people *are* using it, eh?

>
> Do i forget something?

Yeah, like library support in RosAsm :-)


>
> By the way, you are right with feeling so irritated about
> RosAsm Integrated Disassembler. Indead, this is a very
> important component that is going to have way more impact
> than what i had expected, when i started this work...

If you ever finish it, then you can brag about how important it will
be. Given that IDAPro is a *far* better product than you'll ever
produce, and people aren't using it for any of the things you claim a
disassembler will be good for, I'm pretty sure you'll find that your
predictions about its use will rate right up there with your
predictions about the "assembly rebrith". That is, what you're claiming
will never happen.

>
>
> > Boy, perhaps you should spend less time posting trash around here and
> > put that effort into *your* product. I seem to be relatively
> > productive, even with the amount of "self-promotion" that I do. You,
> > OTOH, haven't accomplished nearly as much, even though you're retired.
>
> More and more funny. You know, reversing any fact from truth
> to swindling cannot always work.

I know that. Apparently you don't. 'Cause that's what you try all the
time.

> >
> > Where is the disassembler Rene?
>
>
> Thanks for taking news:
>
> Yes, the Disassembler Developements are going well.
> The Automatic parts of the Recognition will be over
> probably this week.

And the disassembler will still be incapable of automatically
disassembling a substantial amount of code out there. That's why people
who've spent a heck of a lot more time that you researching the problem
have developed interactive disassemblers. That's why books on the
subject of disassembly and reverse engineering pretty much tell you
that automatic disassemblers are toys.

But keep up your dellusion! The more time you waste tilting at these
windmills, the longer your product will fail to be competitive, even
with the other "hobby-level" assemblers that exist.

> The very last of the Recognitions
> Methods (that are the Short Jumps probabilities) are
> over, and the very first version with a Map File,

Ooooh!

> for
> introducing a bit of Interactivity is ready, and fine,

OHMYGOD! Do I read this right? Are you finally admitting that an
automatic disassembler isn't going to cut it and you're going to have
to make it interactive? This can't be the great genious Betov admitting
that he was wrong all along, could it?

Note: You've got a long way to go to catch up with IDAPro. I still
don't buy the argument that this disassembler is somehow going to
change the world. You've made that same argument with the IDE. With the
Wizards. With the "preparsers". Nothing else has seemed to set the
world on fire.

You may very well wind up with a decent disassembler, I don't know.
What I do know is that the number of people that tool is going to
attract to RosAsm is sufficiently low that it can be ignored. After
all, the free version of IDAPro has been out there for years. If having
a decent disassembler is what was needed to fuel the "assembly
rebirth", it would have happened years ago.

But go on fooling yourself. While you're playing around with the
disassembler, work on features that could actually make RosAsm
competitive just isn't getting done.




> so that, when Guga will be back (actually installing
> in another town...), everything will be ready for
> finishing the HLL Interpretations.

Guga seems to have "been gone" since January. How long does it take to
get moved to another town? If I didn't know better (and actually, I
don't), I'd think that he abandoned you.



>
> Another volunteer has implemented the recovering of the
> Resources saved by Name, what exents significatively
> the number of Applications, that can be applied the
> famous "Two-Click-Disassembler-Re-Assembler", that
> is the first, ever seen, such tool.

Ooooh!

>
> Hard days ahead for IDA Pro... :))

A bit dellusional, don't you think? Good luck to you. I'm sure you'll
take over the disassembler market just like you've taken over the
assembler market.
Cheers,
Randy Hyde

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