Re: The Light


Betov wrote:
> "Dragontamer" <prtiglao@xxxxxxxxx> écrivait news:1136929915.331616.179750
> @g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
>
> > As far as an actual "Does God exist" battle? Nah, it can't be proved,
> > it can't be disproved.
>
> There is nothing to be proved or disproved. An individual
> who believes in something that does not exist is mentaly
> diseased. Period. There is nothing to be discussed about.
>
> I have no problem with mental disease, as long as we all
> are more or less mentaly diseased. The guys can believe
> we are invaded by martians, if they like, in Santa-Clauss,
> if they prefer, or in the energy of the green rayon, or
> whatever stupidity. I don't care.

Of course then. My mistake. Everyone is welcome to their
own view. Not that I agree with you of course. :-p

> But the red-line is overpassed as soon as such stupidities
> become a social mouvement, producing millions and millions
> of dead all over the world, social disorders and collective
> oppression. Which happends, always, as soon as such personal
> disorders are tolerated, at a social level.

Anything can become a social movement. I think what you fear is
unity; the fact that some people can get together, and be all
"brothers and sisters" under one family.

What you fear is the fact that a bunch of people who will believe
in a cause that YOU don't believe in. IMO, there are 2 issues at
stake here, Your own views, and fear of life.

I don't think you have any serious fear of life right now from
a religion, except maybe extreme muslims who believe that
the western world should be destroyed. But taking the anger
out on the Religon is the wrong, reading the Qur'an easily
shows that it denounces violence, so you can only conclude
that they are nutcases proclaiming something that they
are not following themselves. Aka, bloodthirsty hypocrites.

Now the other issue, is that you fear your own viewpoint
to be incorrect. Something along the lines of God really
exists, and seeing people practice their religion just inflames
you. The fact that you just might be wrong makes you mad
beyond reason, and thus, you take it out on religon.

I may have missed one or two motives however. I'm no expert
in determining motives. :) But thats how I see it, and I really don't
see anything else that could make you have a motive against
religon enough to accuse the Religious of being schizophrinic
nutcases.

With that said, I'd like to add that I don't recall any major flaw of
any Religon except perhaps the Crusades of the Catholic Church.
But any historian can easily tell that the Church was obviously
corrupt at that time, and even inside the Church, people were resisting
it inside, which caused the split into the different sets of
Christianity.
So ignore that time period and Catholics, and all I see are Nazism,
Slavery, French Revolution, Opium Wars in China, countless
wars and invasions...


> Not that i ignore eveything of the personal Mystic experience,
> which is a complete different story, radicaly incompatible
> with any kind of fucked criminal "Church", _always_ Right-
> Extreeme, in the political picture.

Funny, I remember the Catholic Pope John Paul II *helping* the
world out more than the majority of political leaders. (I bet Betov
was ready to respond to something about that statement :-p. But
that is not the point of my post, just like the last point he took
out of my post was totally irrelevant to my original post)

But anyway, Right-Extreme? In my country, Catholics, Jews, Muslims,
and Christian leaders openly denounce the death penelty. Additionally,
they generally aim for welfare and increasing the taxes for the rich.
Of
course, if you pinpoint say... abortion, They do tend to be right-wing.
But
calling them across the board extreme seems out of line, especially
with all the "leftist" views they have, which again are welfare,
against
death penelty, against guns, taxes on the rich, America not giving away
enough money to 3rd world countries, and so forth.

--Dragontamer

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