Re: "We Never Use Assembly Language"

På Fri, 10 Mar 2006 22:29:31 +0100, skrev randyhyde@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <randyhyde@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>:


o//annabee wrote:

If you only argument here is that assembly is bad, can you please leave
the group and go to a yac, Bison or C ng and bother them instead.

I think you are confusing me with Tim Sweeny. These are not my
comments. I'm only pointing out what well-respected programmers are
saying about assembly language.

Well respected programmers can kiss my ass.

And if you are so bothered by my posts, why don't you do us both a
favor and add me to your killfile?

I enjoy taunting you. Plus, having you here is an excellent chance at a real life example of how to defraud a swindler.



Assembly is the less complicated and most wonderful thing in the world.

You might try looking at the presentation.

PowerPoint ? NEVER !

Several of the things that
Tim requests from language designers are explicitly *not* provided in
assembly.

Idiotic statement.

That makes it more complex (because you have to do this stuff
manually) and less "wonderful" for such people.

I have yet to see a single thing I could not do in asm in a few minutes. And I am still new to the thing. The FillRect routine posted above was written in a few minutes. And do you know how long it took to copy paste and rewrite it to a FrameRect routine? A few bloddy seconds!

Before I tried it, I imagined it could take an incredible long time. Because "assembly is so difficult". But it turns out, everytime I really try to do something in asm, it is ten times more fun, and it takes about the time it would have taken to learn the API ways of doing it. Actually it takes LESS time, than to even READ about how to use the APIs, let alone learn them!

Using anything but assembly for programming applications, is simply absurd. Why must it be like this? Why are we (because I must include myself, because of my previous experience) so easily fooled by the HLL myths?

And this question, and my now 2 years of asm experiments, have convinced me that YOU in NO WAY have the competance to write "art of assembly".

It would be more appropriate that *I* did it then you, and even that would be unheard of absurd !!! So the fact that you do it, is absolutly bloddy frecking insane !!!

If you would to
*provide* the tools to do these jobs, maybe you would have a point. But
your response always seems to be "well, I don't need to do that so it
can't be important." However, professional programmers need to do these
kinds of things, so it *is* important to them.

I have not seen the presentation. Never will see any Powerpoint ***!
But what is important to them is to live up to propagandas. They answer to bosses and to money, and probably laugh silently behind their bosses backs at their stupidity. The bosses have no clue that their problems could be solved 100 times easier if they used a tool like RosAsm to do the job, and then it would not cost them a dollar in investment. Maybe they would spend some extratime, inititally to build up the most needed tool, but after a few months, assuming a group of say 5-10 programmers, they would have everything builded up to suit their most frequent needs. And after that, they would simply NEVER even LOOK at a fucking HLL ever again! And the time they initially invested would be payed back handsomly by orders of magnitude. Assembly, done properly, with a propper tool, Like RosAsm is simply at least 100 times, as effective a tool as any HLL.

No amount of groundless
claims about simplicity or wonderfulness on your part will change that.
These people don't agree with you (and for good reason, I might add).

You have no base for adding anything. You are a clueless old sucker.

You don't make a very convincing argument to counter their claims by
simply saying "Assembly is the less complicated ..."

*** you ***!

The reason you hate it, is that you cannot lie in asm.

If I hate assembly so much, why do I write so many books on it?

Thats what I am wondering as well. Why do you not even write in asm, and chooses C and such tools instead? Do you ever see the contradiction? Writing "Art of Assembly" & Never writes in assembly???

Why
would I waste time in a newsgroup such as this one, if that were the
case? Why would I spend so much time working on an assembler?

Why indeed? Only you could be able to answer that!
The rest of us can just guess. Trying to prove you're a master asm programmer, even you
DO NOT WRITE ASSEMBLY APPLICATIONS ???????

Trying to sell a book on innocent newcommers?

I think you confuse the concept of "hate assembly" with "hate all all
other languages but assembly." The two ideas are not the same. The fact
that someone recognizes that assembly is not the tool for every job in
no way implies that they hate assembly.

Yes it DOES.

First of course, an asm programmer would never write a sentance like that in an asm NG. Because no asm programmer would be stupid enough for suggesting that asm is the tool for "every job". But, for programming full applications? Yes, asm IS the right tool.


Cheers,
Randy Hyde




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