Re: MASM as an addition to the VC Express edition now available

"randyhyde@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" wrote:
Herbert Kleebauer wrote:

This way the MASM EULA is much more restrictive than the GNU
license.

Of course it is. The GPL allows you to do anything you want with the
binaries *you* create from programs like GCC. I don't see how this is
pertinent to the current discussion, however.

If you extend a GNU licensed program and distribute
the new binary,

This has nothing to do with the current discussion. We're talking about
developing a new system, remember? Extending an existing binary doesn't
come into play.

Why are we talking about developing a new system? You can use
any existing software project (doesn't matter whether this is PD,
open source or your own source). If you develop extensions to the
already existing software with the free MASM, you give up forever
the right to sell the software. If it is GPL software, then you
have to publish the source of your modifications and every other
(besides you, who have developed the extension) is allowed to compile
and sell the software.

And I think it was Hutch who told us in this group, that the GPL
is a bad license because it is infectious. But the GPL infects only
code which contains already infected code (you always can remove the
GPL code and do with your own code what ever you want to do). But
the MASM EULA infects your code even if it is completely written by
you. You never will get the right back to sell your own code.


give up the right to sell this code. Even if you rewrite the
complete code in C, you are not allowed to sell the code, because
this is only a new implementation but not a new development
of the code.

Do you *honestly* think MS cares?

Then again, is "shrink-wrapped" licensing even legal?

It doesn't matter if they care or not or if the EULA is legal
at all. It is an important information to make up your mind
about company which uses such an EULA. And even if, as you
said, "Microsoft just screwed up in the wording", then this
also is an interesting information to find a proper classify
of Microsoft. Suppose you get a free digital camera with the
EULA that you are not allowed to sell any picture taken with
this camera and even worse, if you later buy a camera then
you are also not allowed to sell a picture of the new camera
it is a photo of the same motive you already made with the
free camera. And it doesn't make it any better if you are
told "but we really don't care about the EULA" or "the wording
of the EULA doesn't say what we really meant".


programming has now shifted from DOS to Linux (int 21 -> int 80),

???
You're as bad as Rene, seeing only what you want to see. And, of
course, basing any observations on the posts of a *very limited* number
of people that visit this newsgroup is foolish, indeed.

Count the number of discussions about Linux assembly programming
two years ago and now. This surely isn't representative, but
it clearly shows an obvious trend. DOS was (and is) the perfect OS
to learn assembly programming and Windows is nothing but awful
(for learning assembly programming). For some reason, DOS is
considered (wrongly) as "dead", and therefore the shift to Linux
is natural.
.

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