Re: Where is Beth & Annie?

Betov wrote:
"santosh" <santosh.k83@xxxxxxxxx> écrivait news:1168185677.378534.89690@
51g2000cwl.googlegroups.com:

I'm not referring to political discussions. I'm talking about the
recurring "HLA is not an assembler", "RosAsm is broken", etc. repeated
ad nauseum.

Sorry for the inconvenient, but as long as Randall Hyde
will be damaging Assembly, i will not stop pointing to
what this individual is. Whatever cost.
<snip>
Shame on all the other ones, who might have the required
competencies, but who, because of "political correctness",
or because it is effectively more than boring, keep away
from giving a hand at it.

It's not political correctness. You may feel in a different way, but
for most of us, the issue of whether RosAsm is better or HLA is better
or whether HLA is an assembler or whether AoA misleads beginners is too
trivial to waste most of the day composing vitriolic posts against
either you or Randall Hyde. Particularly for those of us who've already
learnt the basics of assembly, (in my case it was with NASM), HLA _and_
RosAsm and their associated controversies are totally irrelevant.

Contrary to what you may think, I don't feel that beginners are such
idiots that they cannot try out atleast a few assemblers and evaluate
for themselves the relative merits and demerits of each one. And if
someone _really_ can't accomplish that much, then he probably has no
business programming in assembler.

I think we need to make a distiction between 'assembly language' and
particular implementations of them like NASM, FASM etc. I know
discussion of actual code needs to be in some concrete syntax but if
you know one syntax then it's fairly easy to figure out the basics,
(i.e. excluding macros), of another assembler's syntax. As far as I'm
concerned GAS's AT & T syntax is the odd-one-out and even that's pretty
easy after a while of study.

Look, if you want to make a political statement in the circle of
programming, then doing something like Linux or the GNU project or the
BSD effort are the way to go. Despite their _large_ scale and maturity
even such efforts struggle upstream against the overwhelming monopoly
of Microsoft. Yet they're worthwhile.

On the other hand, quibbling about a few assemblers for years together
is a _total_ waste of time. I highly appreciate your efforts on RosAsm,
but not your posts to this group since some years. Similarly for
Randall Hyde and Wannabee. What's the point in constantly fighting when
there're far greater threats to the future of assembly?

As far as politics is concerned it needs to be addressed in real life,
not on an obscure Usenet group which almost no one reads. Unfortunately
most of us, and I include myself here, lack the courage neccessary to
speak out in our real lives hence posturing and ranting on Usenet seems
to be all too common.

And here ends _my_ rant for 2007!

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