Re: Rene can't handle AoA's Success

On Jun 18, 9:24 am, Betov <b...@xxxxxxx> wrote:
hutch-- <h...@xxxxxxxxx> écrivait news:1182180292.202695.270620
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Come on Betov, with a user base of 1.5 (you and half wit) do you
seriously think anyone will take notice of your 12 steps to assembler
programming ?

Yes, Dictionary-Ass, i really think they will notice. You know why?
Because the beginners will like:

* A method making the learning easy.

You've yet to demonstrate that your 12-step tutorial does this.
Indeed, when I pointed out all the missing information in your 1st
tutorial, your response was that the beginner should read the
manufacturer's manuals and read B_U_ASM *before* doing the tutorial.
That doesn't sound very easy.



* Fast and simple materials.

Fast and simple do no good if the user gets nothing from the material.
From what I've seen of your tutorials thus far, once they satisfy the
prerequistes (reading the manufacturer's manuals and B_U_ASM) it
really doesn't matter how fast and simple your tutorials are because
they no longer have a need to read/do them.



* A syntax that will not create difficulties, when they will switch
to the Assembler they will finaly choose.

Switching syntaxes is a *trivial* matter. No doubt, there are some
people like Herbert who cannot handle a different syntax, but by and
large most people can adapt pretty easy.

Of course, you're trying to intimate that learning HLA syntax is bad
because it is so different from the other assemblers (and the
converse, that using RosAsm with your tutorials is good because it is
so close to the other assemblers). This is nonsense. Suppose, for
example, someone wants to use Gas or Herbert's assembler after
learning assembly. HLA is certainly closer than RosAsm. Suppose
someone wants to use MASM after learning assembly. HLA's syntax and
semantics are much closer to MASM's than RosAsm. You seem to think
that having parentheses and a src,dest operand ordering makes it
impossible for people to change to something else. This is pure
nonsense.

Then again, once they learn HLA, why would they ever want to change to
an inferior assembler? :-)




* A study-environment enabling experimentations and direct views on
what is going on.

You mean, like OllyDbg?


Now, even though the proof-readings are not completely finished, yet,
the next time you will have a beginner, who will ask "Where to start",
at your Nerds'Board, instead of answering (as you are used to do):

"Assembly is difficult. You should learn an HLL, first",

I invite you to cut&paste the above announcement of mines, as an
answer, and to see what they will be able to write, one or two
weeks later.

That would be a wonderful experiment. Now all we need to do is find a
sucker^H^H^H^H^H^HBeginner to try this out on. I think you will be
sorely disappointed with the result you achive. Unless your "proof-
reading" means "throw the existing stuff away and start over" I think
you're going to find that your "tutorials" will not find much
acceptance by beginners. They seem to be written by RosAsm programmers
*for* RosAsm programmers who already know assembly language. They're
not suitable for beginners.
hLater,
Randy Hyde

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