Re: Ratch's evidence criterion revisited.


"hutch--" <hutch@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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HAY RATCH !!!!

1. Bush lied to start a war.
2. Young Americans are dying in Iraq for no reason.
3. The US economy is on its knees funding two wars that are lost.
4. The security of the US has been compromised by its level of debt.

Sorry to be slow coming back but I did not find you post in the mess
of other posts.

I was there and answered all your posts addressed to me.


Your following lines of argument are why I take no notice of you and
only address your criterion of evidence.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/03/20030317-7.html

Statement by G.W. Bush from above link.

"Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt
that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most
lethal weapons ever devised. This regime has already used weapons of
mass destruction against Iraq's neighbors and against Iraq's people."

(1) The expression "leaves no doubt" leaves no doubt as to the intent
of the US president. He was deliberately lying as he has ruled out
being mistaken.

You are really confused, Hutch. Back in 2003, he thought there was no
doubt, and he did not know he was mistaken.


(2) The extression "some of the most lethal weapons ever devised"
leaves no doubt as to the intent of the US president. He was
deliberately lying as he has ruled out being mistaken.

Yes, he intented to neutralize what he thought were the then present
lethal weapons. As I said before, he ruled out being "mistaken" because he
thought for sure that he was not. You seem to have a hard time
understanding that point.


(3) When Colin Powell made the statement "These are not assertions" to
the United Nations he excluded being mistaken. He was deliberately
lying as he has ruled out being mistaken.

Same answer as above. Try to understand that they were so sure that
they were right that they could not conceive such a possibility as being
mistakenly wrong.


In the face of the statements being directly provably false, to deny
that both Bush and Powell lied, you have to deny what they are
recorded as saying.

One one denies what was recorded. You seem to have a hard time
understanding that just because someone says something that proves later to
be wrong does not make him/her a liar, unless they knew at the time it was
wrong. That means proving intent, which relates to the state of mind, or
other evidence that s/he knew the statement was untrue. Why are you having
such a problem with this?


Invent yet another criterion of evidence that turns a lie into a
mistake for G. W. Bush but not for Idi Amin, Hitler, Stalin or even
poor old Saddam.

That has already be explained before. It relates to the saying,
"Consider the source". Ratch


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