Re: HAY Herbert, wanna write a legal PE executable ?

hmmmm,

I didn't offer any challenge, I asked you to post the short
examples from your challenge with Wannabee.

I don't particularly care what you requested, the masm32 project has
been available for years and it contains code that I have written.

Seems you are confusing assembly code and machine code. What
I posted was pure machine code and nothing else.

You appear to be confusing your confusions. You posted ascii
representation of binary code.

Now as everyone and their dog knows, a legal PE executable file can be
at its minimum 2 * 512 byte sections which total 1024 bytes yet
Herbert labours under the misapprehension that a hand coded ascii
binary file of 922 bytes is an executable PE file.

Now I know that a legal Win32 executable has to have
at least 1024 bytes. And you now know, there is a legal
Win32 application with only 922 byte (ok, it does only
run in 32 bit Windows, so it can't be executed for example
in Win3.1). Maybe you can tell me, what's "illegal" with
the 922 byte Win32 application? Doesn't in correctly
display the message box on any 32 bit Windows?

You are simply mistaken here. When you can verify that your 922 byte
application runs on EVERY Win32 version from the earliest 32 bit
version of WinNT to current Vista then you may have something to say
but the PE specification actually DOES run on all versions of 32 bit
Windows. Windows 32 bit PE executable files are a specification from
Microsoft, it is not subject to your personal interpretation.

Here are the results, your EXE is a broken pile of junk. It runs on my
win2000 but there is no garrantee that it will run an all versions as
it is not a legal 32 bit PE file.

=========================================================================
Microsoft (R) COFF Binary File Dumper Version 5.12.8078
Copyright (C) Microsoft Corp 1992-1998. All rights reserved.

Dump of file H:\herbert\demo.exe
H:\herbert\demo.exe : warning LNK4048: Invalid format file; ignored
=========================================================================
DumpPE v2.20 (c) Copyright Tenth Planet Software Intl., C Turvey
1995-2005.
All rights reserved. Non-Commercial use
only.
'demo.exe' not an .EXE or .DBG file.
=========================================================================

In a HEX editor it looks like encrypted data. Run the file and is
startup is laggy and is a lot slower than the console startup time.

Can you please explain which "sheer brutal power of MASM" is
necessary to write a 1024 byte executable which displays a
window? We are still waiting for:

Who said it need the sheer brutal power of MASM to write a 1024 byte
window. It just happens to be the legal minimum size for a 32 bit PE
file.

Ok Hutch, let's see one of your MASM examples so we can decide if it's
possible to improve it using a better assembler. But don't give us a link,
post it right here, the complete source (with all necessary include files)
for a short demo which can be assembled with MASM.

Done years ago, the MASM32 Project at www.masm32.com .

What you have not done yet is tell what assembler you are using. So
far your code looks like hand coded binary.

But if you really want a second challenge besides the one with
Wannabee you have to provide a little bit more than a 1k program
which displays a window. For example, show me the MASM source
of a program which displays the OS version and where the same exe
works in 16 bit DOS and 32 bit Windows.

What is the big deal, its done with a DOS stub for a standard PE file.
Write your legal 16 bit DOS executable file, set your linker options
to use it as a DOS stub for a 32 bit PE file. Dos app runs in true
DOS, 32 bit PE file runs in 32 bit Windows. If you need tuition, buy a
book.

Regards,

hutch at movsd dot com

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