Re: Putin - Bush


"sevag.krikorian" <sevag.krikorian@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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On Sep 30, 12:57 am, hutch-- <hu...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
sevag,

Something that most forget is the fire bombings in Yokyo killed far
more people that the 2 nucear bombs yet that did not stop Japan. War
is not the art of being Mr. Nice Guy, its surviving and winning.

The death count in China is estimated by the Chinese Government to be
around the 13 million mark and you can be sure the japanese were
brutal in their bombing of civilians in China.

Have you heard of the Thailand Holacaust ? Under various forced labour
schemes by the japanese to build the Burma railway, more than a
million Thais died during the Japanese occupation.

Then there were the massacres in the Phillipines followed by the
massacres in what is now Indonesia. The number of instances are
massive, add Timor to the list where Timorese committed amazing acts
of bravery supporting OZ inteligence operatives and paid a terrible
price with the reprisals by the Japanese.

There is an instance where a number of Australian nurses were driven
into the sea then machine gunned in the water. It just happened to be
that one survived to tell the tale.

In comparison to the massive range of atrocities they committed under
the assumption of their superiority, they fared very well at reckoning
time. While they massacred in their millions, they were tried in their
dozens and to put it bluntly they deserved every thing done back to
them.

The solution to any country that does not want to lose its civilian
population is don't start a war. If someone starts one against you
then you every right to do anything you like in return including
NUKING them. One way or another the lesson will sink in, don't start a
war unless you want to pay the price.

Regards,

hutch at movsd dot com

Atrocities from one side do not justify unnecessary atrocities in
return.

OK, I will agree with that. But you have not explained why dropping
the A-bomb was an atrocity.


Nuking a nation still capable of threat and continued violence could
be justified.

Then it was justified. While Japan could not mount the attacks and
forays they used to be able to do, it still would have been a daunting task
to invade their homeland to force them to surrender. And no criticism can
be leveled at the Allies for insisting on an unconditional surrender. That
was their right as victors to do so.

This was the official story fed to an unsuspecting
public. Many bought into it and continue to believe it despite the
reality of Japans capabilities prior to the nuking.

Most everyone did I would say. Because it was true. No one claimed
that they had the capabilities they used to possess, but leaving a job
undone is not good. Unconditional surrender was the correct way to finish
the war.


Nuking an already defeated nation that was unable to continue
defending itself and has been trying to surrender for some time cannot
be justified no matter how many excuses you can come up with.

First, they were not thoroughly defeated. Second they were angling for
a conditional surrender. I don't consider the reasons given excuses. They
were good sound decisions that were made with the welfare of the world and
the future in mind.

Yes
they started the war, yes the committed atrocities. The cost for the
former is that they lost and the cost of the latter was that the
perpetrators would be tried for their crimes.

And, as usual, the civilians suffer the most with respect to number of
casualities. That is just the way war is.


Too bad the perpetrators of atrocities from the victorious side did
not pay for their war crimes.

There were no war crimes with respect to using the A-bomb.

Ratch


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