Re: Rapport from installation of Ubuntu 7.10 on amd64

På Fri, 08 Feb 2008 05:59:09 +0100, skrev Frank Kotler <fbkotler@xxxxxxxxxxx>:

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But yesterday I experienced one very sad issue with Ubuntu. I was renaming a directoy containing 6 giga of data, when the directory just disappeared. It was a directory on a NTFS drive. This was, to say the least, discouraging.

Bummer! The version I'm using treats NTFS partitions as readonly, so writing to 'em is relatively "new", and could be buggy, still.

(I searched around for the file, by several methods, but the entire directory was just gone - any advice is appreciated)

Unlikely the data is actually "gone", but if you can't access it, it might as well be. I suppose you know (everybody using Linux is supposed to "just know" certain things) that a file - including directories - beginning with a '.' is considered "hidden". An "explorer" may or may not show 'em - should be configurable. "ls" won't show "hidden" files unless the "-a" switch is given. That's about the only "hint" I can think of...

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I do not even know what I did wrong. When I edit a filename I use a combination of mouse and keyboard, and since I was working with several files, I was working kind of fast. Maybe I mistyped, whatever I did, the entire directory suddenly just was gone.

Sounds similar to the way I told Linux "yes, I'm sure" I wanted to format the wrong damn partition. (but the whole partition was only 4 Gigs). Unix "gives you enough rope to shoot yourself in the foot", so typos can do a *lot* of damage! "rm * .o" vs "rm *.o", for example. (a good argument for "monofile", perhaps :)

Unless it *is* a bug, you probably moved it *somewhere* - possibly collapsing an entire subdirectory into a single file. One place I've accidentally moved files/directories to is "/". (also "~", if that isn't where you intended it to go) Keep looking, you may be able to recover it. Good luck!

Thanks. I will keep looking, I searched for files > 1giga, to see if it was listed, but no luck so far. I keep in mind to not work directly with NTFS from the linux side.


It surprices me why not Windows and Linux could share this information amoung themselfes. Having two diffrent OS work well for all the data in the harddrive seem to me just a good thing... Would speak well of them both, imo... As it now is, Linux have an advantage here, and sooner or later will turn it into a significant advantage, an ultimate weapon even... a peacemaker... Microsoft doesnt seem to realize that Linux is making them shoot themselfes in the foot. MicroSoft are simply commiting long term suiside with holding back information. The IQ level at redmond must be very low I gather. It is sad. Windows giving away their advantage as easy as that?

I figure M$ has only one chance now. They MUST become Free Software. Its either that or a slow and ardeous death. Dont they see this?? Why are they not realizing this _obvious_ fact???? It has been painfully obvious for _years_ I wish I could go there and lecture their teams. I would fucking give them a earwarming lesson they would not easily forget.

an OS is NESSESARY INFRASTRUCTURE. Nothing else then this. You cannot tax the infrastructure. In order todo that you need to be the only supplier, and noone will accept that in the long run. Laws have been established in past times to avoid such things. Evidently, nomatter the advantage M$ now has (which is allready threatened) sooner or later they _will_ loose this fight, and the only way to come out on top, is to release all the sourcecode, under a free licence, and then they can still earn money by supplying _NOVEL_ software onto this infrastructure, while helping forming it, (AND having free hands and WILLING hands to help out) instead of having to end up write software also for all the competing plattforms. Because noone will want an OS that costs an arm and a leg, and suck as much as windows. I have no real problems with windows, other than it is an insecure closed plattform. Insecurity and closed source, goes hand in hand. Fewer eyes to see, and only the crackers have the real knowledge and time to keep up with finding those insequrities.

When will Redmond start to wake up? Dont they realize how extremly woundrable they are? Once the alternative OSes truely exists, and can take over all the burden, M6 will drop on wallstreet like a stone, and it will be over in a matter of weeks or months. They be carrying out furniture from the buildings. They got to remake the licences into Free Software now, or good help you Redmond. Else You wount survive this! Because in the long run, we will not accept anything but complete visibility of our so important infrastructure. This is about Trust, and nobody can trust an infrastructure that isnt 100% visible. Ordinary people also evolve, they pick up the pieces eventually, and they will understand this simple equation finally. You have no choise other then to comply. Comply with the Free software foundation or DIE!

Comply or die, Redmond.





Best,
Frank



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