Re: Get ASCII values for PC arrow keys?

From: Jumbo (pcrcutitout1000011_at_uko2.co.uk)
Date: 12/17/03 

Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 19:55:22 -0000

"Jeff Schwab" <jeffplus@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:rq-dnXkVWIc30n2iRVn-uw@comcast.com...
> Jumbo wrote:
> > "Jeff Schwab" <jeffplus@comcast.net> wrote in message
> > news:576dnSgL19OmMkKiRVn-uw@comcast.com...
> >
> >>osmium wrote:
> >>
> >>>jeffc writes:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>"Jumbo" <pcrcutitout1000011@uko2.co.uk> wrote in message
> >>>>news:1071549679.526361@news.minx.net.uk...
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>You can't. There is no such thing as an ASCII value for an "arrow
> >>>>>>key". The ASCII (American Standard Code for Information
Interchange)
> >>>>>>standard, which is pretty much obsolete these days, defined 128
codes
> >>>>>>containing 7 bits each, from 0 to 127 inclusive. It does not
include
> >>>>>>any codes for arrow keys.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>But here he has said ASCII is pretty much obsolete. :-s
> >>>>>I wonder if he can explain why he contradicts himself so?
> >>>>
> >>>>I think you're confused. He said the STANDARD is obsolete.
> >>>
> >>>I am confused too. How does a standard become obsolete? Is there an
> >>>international body that says this standard should no longer be used?
> >
> > Since
> >
> >>>ASCII is embedded into all Eurocentric fonts, it seems to me the body
> >
> > has
> >
> >>>failed miserably in it's mission and *the international body* itself
> >
> > should
> >
> >>>be declared obsolete.
> >>
> >>Perhaps it is the very *concept* of a "standard" that has become
> >>obsolete! Or maybe concepts in general are obsolete...
> >>
> >
> > lol
> > But seriously the only reason that ASCII can'y be made *standard* is
because
> > it is only good for english letters so therefore it could not be
standard in
> > Japan.
>
> Sure it can. It can overlap a larger character set (Unicode) that
> encompasses both English and Kanji, as well as other languages. So,
> when you're using the first 127 characters of Unicode, you're also using
> standard ASCII.

But thenit's a different standard altogether as:
Unicode != ASCII
:o)
>
> > And some countries do not have 26 letters in the alphabet so you
> > cannot even create a 1 byte character set standard that sets aside 26
> > letters of the alpha bet. Perhaps what they should do is either scrap
the
> > Japanese language and all them other languages that use non english
symbols,
> > especially arabic :), then we can lay down the American standards across
the
> > world.
>
> <ot>Um... I don't think it works that way.</ot>
>
> > Why don't we write to Bush with our ideas ?
>
> Does he have some influence I don't know about with the ISO?

Probably
>
> > So instead of dominating
> > the world in a militaristic way we dominate linguistically. We could
banish
> > all non english languages. The funny thing is for years the chinese,
Taiwans
>
> <ot>Taiwans? There's only one Taiwan. Do you mean Taiwanese?</ot>

Yup something like that.
>
> > etc are supposed to be electronics geniuses of the world but .... Do
they
> > have a chinese OS or are they the same as us and using chinese variants
of
> > windows or linux?
>
> A little from column A, a little from column B. The fact that so many
> people around the world have been able to agree on (and actually use) a
> foreign language, so that computer users can communicate across
> political and geographic boundaries, is a testament to the maturity and
> wisdom of those people. It does NOT reflect any problem inherent in
> anyone's native language.
>
> > And what do the ruskies do in space? Do they switch modes to RSCII and
is
> > that WHY they are commonly known as Ruskies? Do their R's come out
backwards
> > and their M's come out on their sides?
> > Who knows but I think what we need is to either
> > a) Take over the world linguistically.
> > b) Get a new standard for character sets
> > c) Have different standards for different areas.
> > d) do something else .
>
> I'll take option d, thanks for offering.
>
> > But why don't the just set aside the amount of characters that are
defined
> > in the vastest alphabet in the world. I have heard rumours that some
> > countries have 3 different alphabets and such but thats the arabs I
think so
> > whilst were on a crusade across Iraq why don't we force them all to stop
> > writing backwards and teach them how to talk properly?
>
> <ot>What's wrong with you?</ot>
>
> > Either that or simply
> > omit them from the standards because they are so ridiculously out of
line
> > with everyone else.
>
> Wow! So you don't use Arabic numerals? Do you use Roman numerals for
> everything?
>
> int i = MCM;
>
> i += CC; // i == MMC

Correct I do not use arabic.
And I normally write from left to right.
As I say if you want a standard that encompasses every language in the world
then GFI.
But I prefer to view them as special cases.
>
> > If you need a special case program in arabic then you
> > can work it out for yourself , who needs portability with an arabic
program
> > anyway.
>
> Anyone who wants any part of one the fastest emerging markets in the
world.
>
Since when have the arabic speaking nations been the fastest emerging
markets in the world?

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