Re: Asking if elements in struct arre zero
From: Programmer Dude (Chris_at_Sonnack.com)
Date: 11/07/03
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Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 15:32:45 -0600
Richard Heathfield wrote:
>>> The newsreader I use does not render HTML.
>>
>> There are plenty that do. Some are even free.
>
> But the one he has chosen to use does not. That's /his/ choice.
Of course. But if the world moves on to bigger and better things,
then that choice may leave one behind.
The thing... The thing is, don't expect the rest of us to hang back
with you just because you *choose* to stay behind. We may choose
to move forward.
>>> I run it under an 80-column terminal emulator with a fixed-width
>>> font.
>>
>> How quaint. Thinking of joining the new millenium anytime soon?
>
> Thinking of conceding other people's right to use the software
> /they/ want to use anytime soon?
You know me well enough to know I'm *absolutely* in favor of choice.
If you want to live off the land in animal skins and cook on an
open fire, hey, more power to ya. Just don't expect that that
*defines* reality in any way.
>> Of using inefficient, ancient tools? That's too bad!!
>
> I find nothing terribly inefficient about a fixed-pitch display.
Ever wonder why books and magazines don't use monospace fonts for
normal text? Because it's harder to read. Well-established fact.
> In fact, I find it very easy to read, especially for source code.
Regardless of what you find, the fact is that monospace fonts are
best for things--as I have said, such as source--which NEED to be
correctly spaced.
Note, too, the issue isn't "easy to read", it's "EASIER to read".
> On this newsgroup, we see a /lot/ of source code, [...] I'd hate
> to think what it would look like in a proportional font.
No problem. HTML easily supports a change to monospace. It's even
implicit in the <pre> (and others) tag.
> As for ancientiosity, I see no reason why a tool should be
> abandoned just because it's getting on a bit.
If "just because it's getting on a bit" were the issue, I'd agree.
Since it isn't, I don't.
> Do you still use wheels?
Not when better alternatives are available (don't YOU have an
antigrav sled? :-). If I COULD fly rather than wheel, believe
me, I would!
> Fire?
Only as campfires or to light cigars. I use microwaves to do a lot
of my "cooking". Modern, clean electricity does the rest.
> Or are they too old-fashioned now?
Old fashioned *and* unwieldy. Just like 80-column text. Fine when
it was the only (or best) game on the block. But That Day Is Over.
>> Your desire to remain in the era of buggy whips not withstanding,
>
> Where did Keith Thompson mention such a desire?
[sigh] This is you being deliberately obtuse again, and I'm SO not
interesting in sinking down to that level. I presume any intelligent
adult--including you--knows **exactly** what I meant.
If you want to debate this on *ideas* and *issues* I'm delighted.
If you want to play stupid, childish word games, I'm not playing.
>> the *fact* of the matter is that formatted text is *easier* to
>> read. This--hopefully--is not in dispute.
>
> It is. See above.
You are, to be blunt, wrong. The evidence is visible in EVERY SINGLE
BOOK on your bookshelves. Ask **ANY** publisher of printed material
(because I know you won't take my word for it).
>> What is, perhaps, in dispute is the value of hanging on to ancient
>> systems whose day is long, long past.
>
> Who is to judge whether a system's day is long, long past? You? Bill
> Gates?
Me. My opinion, my decision. Your opinions will reflect yours.
But let's consider the question: Has plain text's day passed?
Outside of source code, I'd say yes it has (or *should* in places
where it yet lingers). Why resort to *emphasis* when I could just
use <b>. Or <strong>. Or <u>. Or <i>. Or a font change. Or a
color change. Or any combination.
HTML offers a wonderful, potentially universal, way to add dimension
to text. The EXACT SAME dimension that we've enjoyed for decades in
our books, magazines and newspapers. Why NOT enjoy the power of the
additional information-carrying capacity of formatted text?
> Each of us is perfectly capable of deciding which software he or
> she wants to use.
Gee, ya think?
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