Re: Asking if elements in struct arre zero

From: Programmer Dude (Chris_at_Sonnack.com)
Date: 11/14/03 

Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 12:27:21 -0600

Richard Heathfield wrote:

>> ...your *opinion* based on your desire for a TTY text environment.
>
> No, it's my opinion based on my desire for a low threshold for
> interoperability.

Same thing. You stated it in terms of the goal; I stated it in terms
of the mechanism.

However, if you truly mean it exactly as written, I assume you would
be open to formatted text if it became as ubiquitous as TTY text, for
it would then achieve your stated goal.

> When I write a letter for immediate printing and posting, I use a
> word processor (Lotus WordPro, if you care), with proportional
> fonts, italics, colour, or whatever seems appropriate.

So you recognize the usefulness of formatted text.

> ...I think it makes sense for everyone to use [TTY text] when
> interfacing with each other, except when *all* parties to a
> communication agree to use some other format that (by accident
> or design) they can all access.

And, in fact, I agree. My feeling, as I have said, is that a time
is coming when something (probably HTML) *will* be a default tool
that everyone has access to.

>> Isn't the point avoiding advanced features not supported by all?
>
> The point is to maximise communication by minimising barriers to
> communication.

Then it would seem another solution is to provide those advanced
features to everyone. That removes the barriers AND allows for
the increased utility of formatted text (which it appears we agree
is useful).

>>>> I don't agree those are the only choices.
>>>
>>> But you don't get to choose other people's actions for them,..
>>
>> ??? The reply doesn't seem to connect to the quoted bit at all.
>
> You say that there are more choices than the two I presented. But
> you don't have control over the choices people make. In practice,
> the two I outlined are, IMHO, the most likely....

"Most likely". In other words, there ARE more than two. That
people may self-select the possibles down to two is another matter.

More importantly (from my POV), if people have narrowed options
due to habit, tradition, ignorance or stubbornness, it's good to
introduce a dialog for change once in a while. Even if the result
of the dialog is, "Not yet" (or "Over my dead body!" :-), at least
the issue gets aired and--hopefully--genuinely considered.

Peas Out. 

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