Re: buffering of stdio streams
From: Michael Wojcik (mwojcik_at_newsguy.com)
Date: 08/10/04
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Date: 10 Aug 2004 14:53:15 GMT
In article <Pine.GSO.4.33.0408090713310.23069-100000@swindon>, Tak-Shing Thomas Chan <es728@city.ac.uk> writes:
> On 8 Aug 2004, Michael Wojcik wrote:
>
> > In article , SM Ryan <wyrmwif@tango-sierra-oscar-foxtrot-tango.fake.org> writes:
> >> this whinging about off-topic posts started about seven years
> >> ago
> >
> > An utter fabrication. A simple Google search amply demonstrates that
> > concerns about topicality were prominent in c.l.c much earlier than
> > seven years ago.
>
> A more complex Google search ("off topic") gives:
>
> [some not particularly meaningful results]
>
> As you can see, Ryan's ``about seven years ago'' is not
> ``an utter fabrication'' as you would like us to believe.
No, I don't see that.
> While
> the late 1993 thread titled ``how about self-moderation for clc''
> could have been the root cause for all this, the real problem
> does not begin until 1996, when OT-bashing has slowly become the
> /modus operandi/ of c.l.c.
Since you have failed to demonstrate that 1) Google's archives for
the period prior to 1997 are comprehensive or even representative,
and 2) what the ratio of posts discussing topicality is to total
traffic for the years given, these statistics show nothing of the
sort.
Further, my claim was that "concerns about topicality were prominent"
in the period prior to 1997. Obviously, prominence is a subjective
evaluation (which indeed arguably renders your critique moot), but
I think the 650 relevant posts your search found justify it. Whether
they constitute "the real problem" is a matter for you to decide; I
don't believe there is such a thing, so I'm not trying to determine
when it "began". Ryan claimed that "whinging about off-topic posts
started about seven years ago", and that is not true, except perhaps
for very careful definitions of "whinging".
(I might also note that a Google search for the phrase "off topic"
excludes the posts where it's written only as a single word, which
are rarer but extant, but since using Google's archives to attempt
to prove a negative - the absence of significant topicality posts -
is already doomed to failure, I wouldn't worry about it.)
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