Re: for and arrays

Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@xxxxxxxxx> writes:

"Default User" <defaultuserbr@xxxxxxxxx> writes:

<snip>
Riley is a troll.

For the record, I don't use the term myself. It is too easy to throw
around and too hard to decide in all the cases where it matters.

We've been over this.

If you mean by this that you've given me your opinion before, then I
take your word for it. If you mean that most people here are of that

"over this" - he has given his instructions.....

opinion, then I agree, and that is in part why I posted. If anyone
else had chosen to point out how a debugger is unlikely to help in
this case, I would not have felt the need.

The point is that it would. You might not see it. But you are looking
from a different, possibly equally valid, angle. I have spent a lot of
time with trainees and I have seen people almost as stuck as Bill. Best
way is to get them into the memory and SEE things as the program
steps. To see the string. To see the chars. To see the end of string
marker.

And if you think this advice is trolling then I am surprised.


I have found "Plain Richard" to be someone that I do not want to argue
with. He does not try to understand other people's positions and
will, in the end, resort to claiming that he just does not believe his
opponents.

In some cases I take that stance. For example when someone assures me
they can debug 50,000 lines of foreign c code quicker from a printout
than from using an industry strength debugger. Those kind of things that
only get spouted in clc. it is nonsense. Can someone in the world? I
have no doubt someone can. Would we recommend that to someone like Bill
because some Indian Guru can? No we would not. Would we guess that 99%
can because Heathfield once spotted a bug on page one 10 years ago? No
we would not. We would advise sensible procedures to approach the
problem.

That does not mean, to me, that everything he writes
should go unchallenged. Sometimes I want to offer an opposing view
but you will see that I am quite happy to let him have the last word.
He has explained his position and I have clarified mine.

My position here is that its the old seed versus crops thing with
Bill. Get him to teach himself the basic types. Feeling them with a
debugger is a great way. He seems to be as clueless as 6 months ago and
need to get his hands dirty. Pasting in solutions for him is not helping
him - if anything it is hindering him since he then mistakenly thinks he
knows why something is working. He doesn't. He needs to follow the
tutorial and learn how to examine his own programs for now. More
complicated things can follow.

Of course you (and others) are free to tell me whose posts you think I
should ignore. I take that advice seriously (but not as gospel). For
some reason (which I really don't understand) I don't feel I want to
offer such advice myself.

Bwian does it a lot. He has been called on it a lot. I have no idea why
he feels the need to tell others who or what to listen to. Frankly I
think he sees himself as Heathfield's right hand man or Rottweiler. I'm
not sure which.
.

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