Re: export

From: Walter (walter_at_digitalmars.nospamm.com)
Date: 09/01/04 

To: (Usenet)
Date: 1 Sep 2004 06:00:38 -0400

<kanze@gabi-soft.fr> wrote in message
news:d6652001.0408310147.5c7b107d@posting.google.com...
> "Walter" <walter@digitalmars.nospamm.com> wrote in message
> news:<WlsYc.82044$Fg5.34192@attbi_s53>...
> > "Jean-Marc Bourguet" <jm@bourguet.org> wrote in message
> > news:4130dc7e$0$21088$626a14ce@news.free.fr...
> > > "Walter" <walter@digitalmars.nospamm.com> writes:
> > > > Compiler vendors answer to their customers, and
> > > > by and large do what their customers want them to do.
> > > The only input vendors can get from customers is desiderata. There
> > > is hopefully a correlation between desiderata and needs, but they
> > > are not the same things and some times by a large margin especially
> > > in large corporation where usually there are several layers
> > > (sometimes non technical or having lost contact with state of the
> > > art) between the people who could best express the needs and the
> > > one which is in contact with the providers (each layer introducing
> > > some bias).
>
> > Digital Mars has no such layers, and if you surf the DMC newsgroups,
> > you'll see I talk directly to the engineers who use it.
>
> And Digital Mars isn't on the approved list of suppliers at my customer,
> so I can't use it. Probably because you don't have such layers.
> (Perhaps the biggest single advantage g++ has is that I don't have to go
> through purchasing to get it:-).)

You don't have to go through purchasing to get DMC++ either. It's a free
download from www.digitalmars.com/download/freecompiler.html.

> > I invite you to the DM newsgroups (news.digitalmars.com) and you can
> > see for yourself what they're asking for <g>.
> Which buys me what if you're not on our approved list of suppliers?

If Digital Mars isn't on your approved list of suppliers, and the ones that
are on your approved list pay no attention to you, what can I say? I'm also
puzzled by Digital Mars not being approved because it doesn't have layers,
yet those layers prevent the vendor from addressing your needs?

> > You can also surf the microsoft newsgroups, or the borland ones. Given
> > the sometimes very unkind messages posted there, I doubt any of them
> > are censored by their respective PR departments. You won't see such
> > issues here because they are OT for this forum.
> They undergo the worse possible censorship. They're ignored by the
> deciders. You may be able to get a small improvement in by convincing
> the engineers, but you won't get export unless you can convince
> purchasing in some of the large accounts to make it an issue.

If you keep buying from Brand X despite them ignoring your requirements,
then are those requirements that important to you? If large accounts don't
find export to be important, how important is it really?
But to be frank, a feature that costs $300,000 to implement needs,
realistically, to be able to generate at least $400,000 in incremental
revenue to make it worthwhile. A feature that costs $5,000 to implement that
would generate incremental revenue of $20,000 is going to get greenlighted
first <g>.

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