Re: OT - "lie" vs "error"

From: Joe Zitzelberger (joe_zitzelberger_at_nospam.com)
Date: 03/26/05 

Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 12:19:36 -0500

In article <d20oqd$5j0$1@panix5.panix.com>, docdwarf@panix.com wrote:

> As for this 'guaranteed benefit' matter you raise... please, one factual
> matter at a time. Mr Brazee's assertion of 'not a tax, an investment'
> seems to be as unsupported as when it was originally made... and notice
> how the originator has abandoned it?
>
> DD

The originator said that 'the state' claims that social security is not
a tax, but an investment. Not that that is what it is, only that the
state has claimed thus.

You took issue with that and wanted to know when 'the state' makes such
claims. Yet you define 'the state' as not including the people who run
the state:

> docdw...@panix.com Mar 17, 2:21am show options
>
> What politicians and bureaucrats often euphemistically call things
> are not what 'the state' calls things

FDR was the head of the state -- as such, he spoke for the state, even
with misrepresenting. What the law says is fact, what the people who
write the law say about it can well be described as claims.

If the president does not, as you claim, speak for the state, who does?

Bill Clinton was also, if you will pardon the pun, the head of state.

When he started his "National Forum on Social Security" he also started
using the terms "social security contributions" and "payroll
contributions" instead of tax.

"http://www.ssa.gov/history/clntstmts.html"

This is hardly coincidence coming from one of the most brilliant and
articulate communicators in the history of the human race.

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