Re: OT - "lie" vs "error"

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Mandating that someone kill a chicken is different that mandating that they *not* kill their unborn children.


If 'life is life' then this is not so; if something is a child only after it is born this is not so, either.

Yes, I said "life is life" earlier - but, from the context, I hoped those assembled here could see I was talking about *human* life.


A fetus is not human, remember? 

From Merriam-Websters Medical Dictionary 2002...

: an unborn or unhatched vertebrate especially after attaining the basic structural plan of its kind; specifically : a developing human from usually three months after conception to birth

"A developing human"

I realize that you're not going to be convinced of that - God Himself could appear to you in a blazing smoke, and you'd say "But it's not a child until it's born!" But, realize that you are also never going to convince me that it's not - so, these asides are not the best use of time on behalf of either of us.

We took her to appointments - my wife helped her get on Medicaid (she more than qualified), and even helped her find a job (she was a car mechanic - needless to say, her time at that job was limited!).

Medicaid... isn't that a social-assistance program which uses tax dollars taken from others?

Yes - so the good citizens of Tennessee all pitched in to help. Even those who were pro-choice! Imagine the irony!

I do... quite ironic that you preach self-support while using coercion to take money from those who disagree; I believe Heinlein called this 'latter-day Socialism'... no, sorry, he was referring to a more direct and honest armed robbery.

In this case, it was used as it was intended. A broke 19-year-old who had gotten herself in trouble was able to take that trouble and turn it around for her good. Once she got settled and T moved there, he was able to get a job and work so they no longer needed it.

I don't mind a safety net. I don't think the government should be the one to manage it, but that's the way it is. It doesn't mean that I would counsel someone in dire need of it not to use it, because it's not really the government's place. You deal with the cards you're dealt. :)

This is where I *really* have a problem with the current-day Planned Parenthood-type groups. They don't want women to have the facts - just whip up the emotions about their rights, and get them to kill that child.

This is the equivalent of saying that your goal was to brainwash a woman into accepting an unwanted pregnancy so that your church would have another tithing member; the logic on either side is... questionable, to say the least.

Show me where Planned Parenthood or any similar organizations lays out the facts about the offspring from humans from conception to birth - complete with pictures, developmental timelines, when "it" feels pain, reacts to light, commences a heartbeat, etc.

Ask Planned Parenthood to do their own demonstrating, please; my point is one of logic, nothing more.

Your point of logic needs proof (and, I've never seen the proof for which I asked - I don't think it exists). You compared two arguments and said they were based on the same logic. I agree that Planned Parenthood et. al. are questionable organizations, both logically and practically. However, to compare my example with your example (which, I'm hoping, you don't believe), it should be established that what I've said is, in fact, *not* the M.O. of these organizations.

Besides, no one can say that a once-targeted-for-abortion child will grow up to tithe anyway... :)

Absent that, the only argument they *have* is an emotional one based on some "right" they think they have.

Absent your ideas they might have their own; just because *you* are incapable of coming to a different conclusion does not necessitate that there is no other conclusion at which to arrive.

But absent all the facts, they will come to an ill-informed decision. (It may still be the right one, but no matter what, they're ill-informed.) Doesn't drawing an accurate conclusion *require* a gathering of all pertinent facts?


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