Re: OT - "lie" vs "error"

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We took her to appointments - my wife helped her get on Medicaid (she more than qualified), and even helped her find a job (she was a car mechanic - needless to say, her time at that job was limited!).

Medicaid... isn't that a social-assistance program which uses tax dollars taken from others?

Yes - so the good citizens of Tennessee all pitched in to help. Even those who were pro-choice! Imagine the irony!

I do... quite ironic that you preach self-support while using coercion to take money from those who disagree; I believe Heinlein called this 'latter-day Socialism'... no, sorry, he was referring to a more direct and honest armed robbery.

In this case, it was used as it was intended.

It was intended to take money from some people under threat of force and redistribute it to other people who did nothing to earn it but ask.

I thought you *liked* Social Security and other social programs, talking about how good they are for our society as a whole.

What I like and don't like does not change the facts of taxation... and please be so kind as to document where I said anything about how I '*liked* Social Security and other social programs' or 'talked about how good they are for our society as a whole.

Maybe you weren't one of 'em - but my view of elimination of Social Security certainly was in the minority here. (but what else is new?)

Are you now saying that you don't think Medicaid should cover pregnancy and childbirth?

I have questions about taking money from people under duress and giving it to others because of choices they made voluntarily 

So you're opposed to Medicaid completely?

I don't mind a safety net. I don't think the government should be the one to manage it, but that's the way it is.

What are your current efforts to change this? Seems like more people make use of this non-Constitutional bit of government than anything else.

I vote for people who will do their best, in my opinion, to remedy some of these problems. I vote for people who will not constrict people who want to help others simply because they have religious beliefs.

So for one thing you merely cast ballots... and for another you volunteer your time and experience. Interesting priorities.

Yes, and it should be no surprise. Abortion = loss of life. Social programs = a little bit tougher life for some. Yeah, I could see where my time would be a lot better spent on railing against social programs...

"Abortion is very safe" is a flat-out LIE. Notwithstanding the loss of human life, the effects on the mother can be traumatic - from emotional / mental afflictions such as PTSD, to physical afflictions such as the inability to conceive again due to scar tissue, and an increased risk of breast cancer.

The loss of a fetus is not the loss of a human life, remember?

Then what kind of life is it? You've made *quite* a deal in this thread about what kind of life it *isn't* - what do you think it *is*?

You might want to do a bit of research on the risks associated with abortion and the risks associated with childbirth. 

As I have.

Besides, no one can say that a once-targeted-for-abortion child will grow up to tithe anyway... :)

A child cannot be targeted for abortion...

But a child *can* be once-targeted-for-abortion... PLEASE stop this line of the argument - I don't agree and I never will.

No matter how often you call a tail a leg it is still a tail... that you do not agree does not change what is and is not, by law, a child and that a child cannot be targeted for abortion. 

WHY DON'T YOU SEE THIS?????????????

A 5-year-old child *could* have been once targeted for abortion. Therefore, my statements stands *even under* your view of when a child becomes a child. Or, does the fact that his mother once thought of killing him in utero mean that he's not a child now that he's 5?

Let me take this a step further: given that a 'fact' is a 'done thing' (factum = deed) and that things are being done at all times... 'all the facts' are available only when all things have been done. The Patent Office hasn't been shut down yet.

Okay - make that "all available information" (which the term ill-informed, which I used, suggests is lacking). Of course people are still doing things... What kind of argument is this - ridiculum absurdum?

It is an argument which attempts to pay careful attention to demonstrable situations and use of language; my apologies if such things are alien to you or make you uncomfortable.

Just use some common sense - why would I say for someone to do something that is impossible? "All the facts" is a common way of saying "knowing all pertinent information".

Or is this one of those 24/7/365 things?


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