Re: [OT] Liberal Weeny Spouting off....Was VSAM doubt


This is one of the best responses I have ever seen in CLC.

more below...

"jce" <defaultuser@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> "Peter Lacey" <lacey@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>> Ron wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> First, I don't know how they teach English over there but this drives me
>>> nuts! You do not have a "doubt", you have a "question". You doubt
>>> something
>>> that you think is untrue. You question something that you do not know.
>>> You
>>> do not know if a VSAM file can be a GDG, therefore you have a question.
>>> If I told you a VSAM file has chocolate ice cream hidden in the index
>>> you would doubt that it was the truth.
>
>> For heaven's sake - give him or her credit for effort! How would you
>> get on in Hindi or Punjabi or whatever?
>>
>> PL
> This is the crap retort that always gets posted in response to someone
> talking smack about someone's abilities to express themselves in english.
> I would guess that Ron's Hindi, Punjabi and whatever is as good as it
> needs to be thanks very much. When he need to work in Chennai and he asks
> some newsgroup for help and he comes off sounding like an idiot, then your
> question would be more appropriate.
>
> I do think a fairer question would be to ask how he knows "Praveen" is
> from "over there"...and exactly what "over there" means, and furthermore
> what he means by "over there". I've seen worse english come out of the
> North East US so I would not have any questions that "Praveen" works in
> New Jersey - or is that doubts? Having said that, I don't think it's
> actually terribly important to know the answer.
>
> Frankly, I do support your posting....as I'm tired of the acceptance of
> subtle (and becoming more open) racism in the american culture and I think
> it's important that people can stand against that. I do, however, tend to
> assume that all statements (including Ron's) are innocent of any hatred,
> demeaning spirit towards anyone even if it appears based on some
> prejudice.

I like to make the same assumptions. Sometimes I am wrong.

The World is becoming SO politically correct that issues get blurred into
each other and the issues of Racism, Sexism, Ageism, and any other kind of
'ism' can be used to deflect attention from the original point.

Ron was unhappy about Praveen's use of 'doubt'. His comments were based on
English usage and, although I wasn't personally annoyed, (I have no problem
with Praveen using 'doubt' in the way he did, recognizing that English may
not be his first language), I understand that Ron found it irritating and
said so. If Ron had been commenting on a post by me or any other regular
poster here who is of European ethnicity, it is extremely unlikely that
Peter Lacey would have posted. (This is not to imply that Peter was wrong to
post; he has as much right to post here as anybody. It is a public forum.)
The point I am attempting to make is that we are so sensitised to PC issues
that sometimes we see demons where there are none.

Like jce, I am persuaded by Ron's actions, that his post was not prompted by
Racism. He attempted to HELP. That is what this forum is supposed to be
about.

> I can make this statement based on the fact that he gave _help_ with the
> english and gave an answer to the doubts..or questions...I'd rather live
> with my assumption of the good in others than to find out otherwise.

So would I, and I endorse this sentiment 100%.
>
> Everyone has prejudicial thoughts - the more compassionate can just see
> past theirs.
>
> JCE
>

Excellent and thought-provoking response, jce.

Thanks.

Pete.



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