Re: Making money from Java

James J. Gavan wrote:
> Howard Brazee wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 19:48:10 GMT, "Oliver Wong" <owong@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>> In general, a "liberal" is one who wants to change prevailing
>>>> societal values, and a "conservative" is one who wants to maintain
>>>> (conserve) them. :-)
>>>
>>>
>>> What if the prevailing societal values are considered "liberal"? I
>>> don't follow politics much, being relatively uninterested in it, but
>>> from what I understand Canada is generally considered to be "socially
>>> liberal" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada).
>>>
>>> If a Canadian generally agrees with the prevailing liberal societal
>>> values (same sex marriages are okay, etc.) and wishes to conserve
>>> those values, would that Canadian be a liberal or a conservative?
>>
>>
>>
>> Lables have meanings that change. At one time "Liberal" meant pretty
>> close to what "Libertarian" means now. One can come up with a case
>> that conservatives, conservationists, preservatives, and
>> preservationists" all keep things from changing and do the same thing.
>>
>> In a two party system, it is easy to say that whatever party is
>> opposing the more conservative party is the opposite of conservative.
>> But that opposite in the U.S. and that opposite in Canada don't need
>> to have much in common.
>>
>> Conservativism, generally harkens to values of a past - usually not a
>> past that actually existed, but an idealized past viewed through
>> filtered glasses.
>
>
> I suppose we can all assess in our minds what we think something means,
> and sometimes based on experiences. Dictionary-wise, you are correct in
> grouping - "conservatives, conservationists, preservatives, and
> preservationists" - to conserve/preserve.
>
> Not quite how I viewed English conservatism - I came to the conclusion
> that to conserve/preserve was, "I've made it in this world and want to
> hang on to what I've got. You haven't been so lucky. Pity...... F...
> you Jack up alright !"
>
> One of the reasons that I thought the Canadian political party name
> Progressive Conservatives was an absolute absurdity.
>
> Jimmy

The english meaning of liberal also shares meaning with liberty.

Conservative has always, politically, meant preserving the status quo,
*regardless* of the value of that status quo. Judson's idea that
somehow conservative really means "freedom" because it is "america" is
just a rather silly affectation of american society.

Conservative, when applied in politics, really means "mind your bloody
elders, *we* know what is correct, *you* do not, so shut up".

Donald
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