Re: Making money from Java

"Donald Tees" <donald_tees@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Judson McClendon wrote:
>> "Donald Tees" <donald_tees@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>>The english meaning of liberal also shares meaning with liberty.
>>
>> Yes, "liberty from constraint of traditional values." :-)
>>
>>>Conservative has always, politically, meant preserving the status quo,
>>>*regardless* of the value of that status quo. Judson's idea that
>>>somehow conservative really means "freedom" because it is "america"
>>>is just a rather silly affectation of american society.
>>
>> I was speaking specifically about conservatives in the US. Here, socially
>> dictatorial ideas like Political Correctness are *liberal* ideas. PC is
>> quite the reverse of personal freedom. Restricting Christians rights to
>> pray
>> or express their beliefs publicly are the reverse of personal freedoms,
>> and
>> those are most definitely liberal ideas here. So please, don't give me
>> this
>> nonsense about liberals believing in personal freedom (for everybody).
>> Yech!
>> :-)
>
> Insisting that my children have to pray if they want to go to school is
> freedom? Saying, "NO" they do not, is dictatorial?

No, your children shouldn't have to pray in public schools if they don't
want to. But telling my children they *can't* pray in public school is most
definitely dictatorial, and that *is* the situation in many places here.

> Nobody, ever, in the United States or Canada, has ever said you could
> not pray any way you wanted to.

Boy, are you clueless here, Donald. You would be amazed at the number of
lawsuits (many hundreds, maybe thousands) there have been, and still are,
because Christian children were denied their right to pray in public school,
even denied the right to pray over their food before eating! I know somne of
these people personally. There have arisen a number of Christian
organizations whose sole purpose is to help fund these litigations. Much of
the funding on the other side comes ftom the ultra liberal ACLU. Americal
Civil Liberties, my eye!

> Insisting that *my* children be brainwashed by
> your lackeys is not what *my* father went to war over, nor something *I*
> wish to fight for.

Agreed. I hope nobody is insisting that.

> Your response regarding McCarthy is typical. You personally know of at
> least a dozen people that later admited to having horrible belief
> systems, so of course persecuting them was right. The fact that they are
> *suppose* to have freedom to believe what they want is completely
> irrelevant to you.

Again, you are misinformed. The Constitution of the United States clearly
says it is Treason to espouse the violent overthrow of the United States
Government. This is precisely what the Communist conspirators were about
(See the Communist revolutions in Russa or China for details). So you are
*dead wrong* to say they had the freedom to embrace and propagate such
idealogy here in the United States.

> Did it ever occur to you, Judson, that a belief we, the strong and
> wealthy in society, have to strike a balance? We can believe in helping
> the weak without believing that weakness is a virtue. We can share our
> wealth without believing that owning things is wrong. We can respect
> other people's beliefs without giving up our own beliefs.
>
> Freedom to agree only with the status quo is *NOT* freedom. Freedom to
> use your leftovers is not the route to wealth either.

Of course. I'm happy to say that I have never thought or spoken otherwise.
:-)

I want liberals to have the freedom to believe as they want. I just don't
want them to force their ideology onto me and my children. That's what
freedom and democracy are all about, is it not? :-)
--
Judson McClendon judmc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx (remove zero)
Sun Valley Systems http://sunvaley.com
"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that
whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life."


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