Re: Making money from Java


Judson McClendon wrote:
> Christians pay taxes like everyone
> else. Do you think they should not have equal access?

Of course they have equal access, they get to go to school to do
_school_ things.

> I am speaking *solely and only* about free exercise of religion,
> either individually or collectively, on private or public property, as long
> as the individuals themselves, and not the government, are the ones making
> the decisions to participate.

We have this discussion in this country. One of our Menmbers of
Parliment is a Rastafarian (did I mention my grandfather ...) and part
of their religious observence is to smoke cannabis. How would you feel
if a young Rastafarian was allowed to smoke pot in the lunch room under
the same rule that you want to have for your group.

> Should Christian groups not be able to meet in public parks?
> Many civic groups, such as Civitans, meet on school or other
> public property.

How about New Nazi groups ? or Wicken coverns ? or Satanists ? or
Rastafarians ?

> What the
> dickens do you think the expressions "free speech" and "freedom of religion"
> mean?

Fortunately there is also freedom _from_ speech and freedom _from_
religion.

> then the other person should be free to
> decline to discuss that subject.

Unfortunately some people think that their religion is important, or
real, and think that being told to 'bugger off' is merely a test by
'the devil', one that they can overcome.

Would you allow Scientologists, or Jehovah Witnesses, or .. the freedom
to discuss their beliefs with your children ? To invite them to their
'sessions' ?

> Wake up
> people! If we permit such restrictive oppression toward one group today,
> what is your assurance it won't be *your* group that gets pegged tomorrow?

Well, actually it is. They stopped various groups, such as Witches,
Communists and Fascists, Scientologists, and that was _by_ the
christians, but the rules apply to everyone.

> Would you choose to dictate which ideas are to be censored in such a
> culture? Apparently so, as long as it is Christian ideas that are censored.

It is not a matter of _what_ it is a matter of _where_. There is _no_
censorship of what you say but only of where you say it.

> But I
> do say that any student who wants to bow their head and pray over their meal
> should be permitted to do so without hindrance, even audibly.

Sure, as long as they don't mind having left overs thrown at them.

> In
> addition, if students, on their own, request to have Bible studies or prayer
> meetings in unused rooms after school, they should be permitted to do so, to
> the same degree civic groups would be permitted. US law and the US Supreme
> Court agree with me on both these points, but many schools are openly
> violating those laws, and the student's rights. Apparently you agree with
> that violation of the student's rights, and US law. :-)

The decision as to which groups get toi use the facilities is entirely
that of the school board. If they let your group do this, then they may
be lobbied to let every different group in that claims it is a
religion: raelians, suny, shiite, mormans, wickens, bhrmans,
rastafarians, jedi, ..

I am sure that the 'civic groups' have to meet some criteria of
relevence to the school itself.

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