Re: Making money from Java


Judson McClendon wrote:
> "Alistair" <alistair@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > Judson, another God (Allah) told his faithful to spread his word with
> > force if necessary. Does that make it right?
>
>
> Jesus never sinned, and even Pilate said He was innocent. Jesus gave His
> life willingly. He further proved that He is God by raising from the dead
> and being seen by over 500 people at one time. Mohammed was a cruel man
> (like his father) who beat his wives. Mohammed didn't give his life for
> anybody. And we know where Mohammed's bones are. Moslems are free to believe
> what they like, but I'll go with Jesus. :-)

You have blatantly avoided the question. Both are God-given
philosophies and are equally valid/with merit. Both philosophies are
fundamentally of their time and flawed. We are all aware of Mohammed's
liking for multiple wives and how he changed the rules to accomodate
his enlarging appetite (I can feel a fatwah coming in my direction
soon) but Allah requires his faithful to use jihad to spread the word.
Is it right to use force when one's god demands it?

In contrast, Christianity requires turning the other cheek. However,
Papal action allows the killing of heathens and pagans (in crusades)
and banned the crossbow as the work of Satan. Can a crusade be
justified?


>
> How do we know that Jesus resurrection was real?

You don't. All you know is that he was strung up and then cut down.
Nowhere does it say that his heart had stopped and that he was brain
dead before being interred so, beyond the non-medical descriptions in
the Bible, there is no evidence that at the time of being entombed that
he was dead. If not dead then no resurrection.

I am firmly of two opinions:
1. Jesus did exist.
2. Jesus did not die on the cross.

> Well, consider this. If
> Jesus' disciples absconded with His body, as some claim, they would have
> known Jesus was not God, and that their accounts of His resurrection were
> false. Why then, would those same disciples be ready to be martyred for a
> faith they *knew* was fake?

I agree.

> One may be willing to martyr himself for a false
> belief, but no one martyrs himself for what he knows to be false. Also,
> where were the bodies of the disciples who would have been killed by the
> Roman soldiers guarding Jesus' tomb? Where were the dead Roman guards? The
> Roman penalty for dereliction of duty was death. Did the soldiers simply
> waltz off and let the disciples have Jesus body, knowing they would be
> executed for it?

I doubt if the guards would have been punctilious in their dutes.

> Considering the vast public attention focused on these
> events, is it reasonable to believe the soldiers would have done so for a
> bribe, knowing the scrutiny their betrayal of duty would receive? In the
> Biblical account, the soldiers only took a bribe *after* they were in deep
> poo, in hope of getting out of said poo, a far more likely scenario. The
> Roman Empire did a thorough investigation of the events surrounding Jesus'
> trial, crucifixion and resurrection. The Roman orator Tortulius (sp?) made
> reference around 200 AD to the then extant records of that investigation,
> and his comments are consistent with the Bible. The vast preponderance of
> evidence supports the truth of the Biblical account. Such was the conclusion
> of the world's greatest authority on evidence, Simon Greenleaf.

Never heard of him.

.

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