Re: Making money from Java

SkippyPB wrote:

ME : >>I understand where Chuck the former Catholic is coming from. He is
unhappy with the Catholic concept of Original Sin. To the best of my knowledge there's no direct reference to Original Sin in the Good Book that Judson keeps quoting from.


SKIPPY :> There are many references to original sin in both the new and old
testaments.

The Psalmist says Ps.58:3: "the wicked go astray from the womb, they
err from their birth speaking lies. Ps.51:5 David claimed that he was conceived in iniquity."

Job asks the question  "What is man, that he could be pure? And he who
is born of a woman, that he could be righteous?" (Job 15:14)  Job
25:4: "How then can man be righteous before God? Or how can he be pure
who is born of a woman?"

Eph. 2:3: "Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past
in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of
the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others."

Paul states in  Rom 3:10: "As it is written: "There is none righteous,
no, not one" v.12 "They have all turned aside; they have together
become unprofitable; there is none who does good, no, not one."

The Bible says that, "The wages of sin is death." Sin is first and
then the consequence is the payoff. Romans 5:18 -19 says, "through one
man's trespass,  judgment came to all men, for by one man's
disobedience all were made sinners." This Scripture clearly shows sin
is inherited through his (Adam's) disobedience, not ours. The bible
says we are all under the condemnation of sin. The Bible speaks of sin
not as a biological flaw but a spiritual infection that is transmitted
through the reproductive cycle finding itself in all humans corrupting
their nature. Romans 3:23 says, "All have sinned and fallen short of
the glory of God." If one entertains the though that they are born
without sin, then they have the glory of God. The only one who has the
glory of God as their nature is God.

Thanks for the clarification from a fellow Catholic, Skippy. And back to what I wrote :-

"To the best of my knowledge there's no direct reference to Original Sin in the Good Book".

Have I got this more or less right ? You were a lapsed catholic, married to a Bhuddist whose spirituality made you have a re-think on you own Catholicism, to which you returned and became a deacon ? If the last is correct, as a result of studying for the deaconship you no doubt looked more closely at Biblical texts with particular emphasis on the New Testament.

Now to the average lay-reader I would suggest your references are not immediately obvious. Consider all those good ladies who regularly go to Rosary sessions. I'd bet they wouldn't pick up on the underlinings of your quotes.

Let's try another one on you and Chuck the ex-catholic. Judson's premise is based on the fact that the Bible is the Divine Word because God instructed/inspired the writers what to write. (It appears that this is a focal point for the Pentecostals). My contention, both Old and New Testaments are an historical record of events, many passed by word of mouth to the authors, as to what happened. In the case of the Jewish Bible MANY generational words-of-mouth. We know only too well that in the case of the New Testament there were far more documents than those that actually finished up in the final set. So the early Christian theologians had to be selective, including only those which they felt had appeal and rejecting others, for whatever reason.

That doesn't negate the concept that the New Testament isn't God inspired. Providing those Early Fathers did it in a spirit of honesty, the final edition does represent God's word.

Jimmy
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