Re: The Relative Importance of Web Development


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Yes the Web is important - but nobody commented about Estonia ????

http://www.guardian.co.uk/russia/article/0,,2082689,00.html

Do a google 'estonia-networks' for more info.

The impact can be frightening, and we should all be concerned. Worth
remembering what initially triggered this was the Estonians moving a
WWII Russian memorial. What would Putnin and friends have done if the
Estonians had shot russkies !

Jimmy
Didn't know about this (I don't read newspapers, they depress me :-)),
but it is not the first time this has happened. There was a major
attack on Israel a couple of years back.

Rather than being frightened by it, I find it interesting and the
counter measures are "challenging". (there have been some very
innovative and imaginative methods devised for countering DOS attacks.)

Counter measures have been constructed and implemented effectively in
the past, but it takes a day or so for the results to be apparent. Even
in Estonia they said that most companies and departments targeted were
working normally.

I think your final sentence is significant, Jimmy. The fact is that
they DIDN'T shoot people, on either side. I'd rather see computers "at
war" than humans.

The inconvenience of having an ATM not work for a couple of days pales
into insignificance besides the horror of having a friend or loved one
shot...

Pete.
Or every traffic light in the world turning green at the same moment. Or
every aircraft in the world being told to dive immediately to avoid a
collision. I do not think I agree with you that every computer program
should have a web interface.

That's good, because that isn't what I said. I was talking about
commercial software (Front Office and Back Office, specifically)

Ok, that's fair ... though I would word it *financial* software.
Commercial software, to me, is any software sold. That includes the
traffic lights of the average town, for example. All municipalities job
that sort of stuff out to commercial software houses. Currently, I am
writing commercial software for school boards, for example. I do not,
however, work for a school or a school board.


There are lots and lots of programs where it would/should never be used,
and it would be a huge security problem.

Only today. In the future the Web will permeate our lives to such an
extent that we won't even notice it. Even jewellery and clothing will be
"web aware"... imagine wearing glasses that whisper in your ear the name
of the person approaching you at a party, their spouse, children's name,
their job, the names of their cat and dog, and their hobbies and
interests, all accessed instantly from your database of contacts, via the
Internet....

I would never want to be that intrusive into someone's life.

Hmmm... but you DO have an address book with a list of friends and contacts,
and it contains their personal cell phone numbers and email addresses,
right? And you DO remember their spouses and families and pets and hobbies,
right? And, at some point, if the number of entries grew very large, you
MIGHT attach some of these details to their address book entries, right?
(Especially as the standard Outlook software allows you to...). You would
have no qualms about doing this because you know it is YOUR data and no-one
else will access it. It is Private. And, if you have stayed this far and now
have such a private address book, you MIGHT access it remotely and
wirelessly via a cell phone or similar, right?

My "party glasses" are just a logical extrapolation of what you do already.

Interesting that, simply because it is served up in a different form (UI),
it is now "intrusive in someone's life"...and provokes moral outrage.

It is like installing a hidden camera in their bedroom.

No it isn't. At least, not unless they WANTED a camera in their bedroom :-)

I am not interested in being a peeping tom.

As it happens, neither am I. I was simply showing a possibility. I make no
comment as to whether I would find that desirable or not; it's a whole other
topic.I do agree that we should definitely consider the wider aspects and
implications of technology, but please don't ascribe views to me unless I
have stated them. I am not reticent about stating my opinions :-) and I try
to be very clear when what I state IS opinion. Exploring options does not
mean I agree with them. Some people might very well want such a technology.
I don't personally have a Blackberry, but I don't think people who do have
one are wrong. My example was simply to show that the Web WILL pervade into
our lives. Whether that is good or bad is just like everything else; you can
use nuclear power to destroy cities, or to provide energy for them...


That you find it desirable to be able to intrude into my life to that
extent bothers me a great deal, whether it is you personally, or just you
looking at it as a neat possibility that you'd be willing to do for
others.

First off, NOBODY would be intruding into your life without your consent.
(Don't want the capability; don't buy the glasses... :-))

We are discussing technology, not my personal preferences, ethics, or
morals. (I'll happily discuss those somewhere else; start another thread...
:-)) Your statement that I find something desirable is a conclusion you have
jumped to; I made no such statement. Neither did I deny finding it
desirable.



I made no such assumption, and clearly stated what my comments pertained
to. It had nothing to do with aeroplanes or traffic lights or engine
management or anything else, other than competitive commerce in a
business environment.

Thank you for crediting me with some astuteness. I'll endeavour to see
that your trust is not misplaced. :-)

I hope so. I also credit you with a good ethical sense. Do you have any
ethical questions about the desirability of the process?

Do you have the answers :-)?

If you are going to give that amount of power away to *anybody*, I'd think
you should.

Start another thread (see above... :-))

Pete.


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