Re: OT:Thanksgiving

On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 11:42:36 -0500, SkippyPB <swiegand@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On F>On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 01:13:13 -0600, Robert <no@xxxxxx> wrote:

At the time of the American Revolution, only 6% of Americans could vote. Now it's over
90%. IMO, it should be 100%.

Whether it is 90 or 100% is irrelevant. What is more telling is that
less than 50% of eligible voters actually vote.

Here's a graph showing voter turnout since 1948.

1. Thanks to increasing voter apathy, turnout keeps dwindling.

This is the mother of all turnout myths. There may be plenty of apathetic voters out
there, but the idea that ever fewer Americans are showing up at the polls should be put to
rest. What's really happening is that the number of people not eligible to vote is rising
-- making it seem as though turnout is dropping.

Those who bemoan a decline in American civic society point to the drop in turnout from
55.2 percent in 1972, when 18-year-olds were granted the right to vote, to the low point
of 48.9 percent in 1996. But that's looking at the total voting-age population, which
includes lots of people who aren't eligible to vote -- namely, noncitizens and convicted
felons. These ineligible populations have increased dramatically over the past three
decades, from about 2 percent of the voting-age population in 1972 to 10 percent today.

When you take them out of the equation, the post-1972 "decline" vanishes. Turnout rates
among those eligible to vote have averaged 55.3 percent in presidential elections and 39.4
percent in midterm elections for the past three decades. There has been variation, of
course, with turnout as low as 51.7 percent in 1996 and rebounding to 60.3 percent by
2004. Turnout in the most recent election, in fact, is on a par with the low-60 percent
turnout rates of the 1950s and '60s,

Readers of C.L.C. interested in learning more about vote counting machines should read Bev
Harris' Black Box Voting, which explains in detail that the machines are controlled by
criminals, right wingers and Saudis. Here are three excerpts:

On June 30, 2003, Diebold CEO Walton O?Dell organized a fundraising
party for Vice President Dick Cheney, raising $600,000 and
many of our antennas.

Julie Carr-Smyth, of The Plain Dealer, discovered in August 2003
that O?Dell had traveled to Crawford, Texas, for a Pioneers and Rangers
meeting attended by George W. Bush. Then Smyth learned of a
letter, written by O?Dell shortly after returning from the Bush ranch
and sent to 100 of his wealthy and politically inclined friends, which

?I am committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the
president next year.??

One such felon, a 23-count embezzler named Jeffrey Dean, who
specialized in computer fraud, was made a director of Global Election
Systems in 2000, and then was assigned to be the head of research
and development, with access to all components of the most
sensitive parts of the voting system. The other, a cocaine trafficker
named John Elder, has directed the sensitive punch-card printing for
both Global and Diebold, and has had involvement with the processing
of incoming absentee ballots. Elder is still running the printing division
for Diebold.

While Diebold was loaning money to Global, embezzler Jeffrey
Dean remained a director of the company and, according to memos,
was involved with the Windows CE system used in the touch-screens
and the new 1.96 series optical scan software. He also was working
on a project to integrate voter registration software with the GEMS
central tabulation program, and he claimed to have developed a ?ballot
on demand? system which, he bragged to Diebold, could optionally
connect a voter with the ballot ? a feature which is certainly illegal
and would remove voter privacy.

Global Election Systems was formally purchased by Diebold Inc.
effective January 31, 2002, and at this time Jeffrey Dean became a
paid consultant to Diebold Election Systems and John Elder took
over Diebold?s national printing division.

Six weeks later, Diebold landed the biggest voting-machine order
in history: The $54 million conversion of the state of Georgia to touchscreen

I decided to ask Amy Parker more about the Pentagon deal, but
the conversation got derailed:
Harris: ?With regard to the military contract, what will
be doing and what will Hart Intercivic do??
Parker: ?We?re not the prime contractor on that project.?
Harris: ? is not the main contractor??
Parker: ?No.?
Harris: ?Who is, then??
Parker: ?That?s Accenture.?
Harris: ?I spoke with Hart Intercivic, who has explained to me
that Accenture does not make voting systems. What they do is
procurement. They procured the contract and then subcontracted it
to and Hart Intercivic, is that true??
Parker: ?Yes.?
Harris: ?Accenture holds shares in also, doesn?t it??
Parker: ?No.
Harris: ?No??
Parker: ?Accenture, we have a formal strategic marketing alliance
and as part of that they took an equity position.?
Harris: ?So Accenture holds shares in, then.?
Parker: ?Yes.?

On July 2, 2003, announced that it had sold its assets
to Accenture, turning the military SERVE project over to an Arthur
Andersen spin-off and Hart Intercivic.

Or this:

April 28, 2004?Voters can run, but they can't hide from these guys. Meet the Urosevich
brothers, Bob and Todd. Their respective companies, Diebold and ES&S, will count (using
both computerized ballot scanners and touchscreen machines) about 80 percent of all votes
cast in the upcoming U.S. presidential election.

Both ES&S and Diebold have been caught installing uncertified software in their machines.
Although there is no known certification process that will protect against vote rigging or
technical failure, it is a requirement of most, if not all, states.

And, according to author Bev Harris in her book, Black Box Voting, " . . . one of the
founders of the original ES&S (software) system, Bob Urosevich, also oversaw development
of the original software now used by Diebold Election Systems."

Talk about putting all our eggs in one very bogus, but brotherly basket.

Even if states or counties hire their own technicians to re-program Diebold or ES&S
software (or software from other companies), experts say that permanently installed
software, called firmware, still resides inside both electronic scanners and touchscreen
machines and is capable of manipulating votes.