Re: OT:Thanksgiving



"Judson McClendon" <judmc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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"Alistair" <alistair@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
"Judson McClendon" <ju...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
"tlmfru" <la...@xxxxxxx> wrote:
Judson McClendon <ju...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Can we spell "G-L-O-B-A-L W-A-R-M-I-N-G?" May God protect us from
such
"benefactors". Yes, I know, I'm about to be bombarded with tons of
"pseudo evidence" (long chains of "reasoning" based on partial
science,
the sum of which can't be directly experimentally verified, and which
everyone will know is wrong in 10 or 20 years) to prove Global
Warming
is "real" and definitely caused by humans.

Can we spell "glaciers melting all over the world, the Arctic ice cap
melting so quickly that it may be gone in 20 years, the Antartic ice
fields
floating away to sea"? Can we come up with a reason other than global
warming??

The face that such things have been going on without our help for a long
time suggests we aren't needed for it to happen, and probably are not
responsible,

Only PROBABLY, Judson. Do I detect an element of doubt in your
writing?

I have maintained from the beginning that we *don't know for certain* if
global
warming is happening, and even if we did, we *don't know for certain* that
humanity is causing it. I never said that either one was absolutely not
happening.
It is the global warming proponents who have no doubts, which in and of
itself
is alarming, considering the uncertainty of the evidence. It is this
absolute,
unshakable, blind belief, when the evidence doesn't warrant it that
distresses me
most. Such attitudes are the antithesis of what the scientific attitude
should be.

And please don't rate on about belief in God. The situations are
completely
different. If I believe in God and there is no God, then I am no worse
off;
I will die and never know it. If you don't believe in God, and He does
exist,
you are in trouble that makes global warming look like a picnic, for
eternity.

The situation with global warming is different. If you global warming
advocates
are wrong, a vast amount of money will have been wasted and a lot of
draconian
laws will have been passed, damaging personal freedom (a vastly important
thing)
for no reason and no benefit. A total waste. But if global warming is
happening,
we will know for certain at some point and will deal with it then. If
global
tempratures have increased only one degree in a century, we aren't going
to be
fried in another 50 years, or even 100 years, if it takes that to know.
And it
would be expected that by then we would have better technology to deal
with it
if necessary. If we blow ourselves up in a war in the meantime, it becomes
moot.

As good a time as any. Except when it is too late.

The same could be said of imprisoning a person who you think is "probably
guilty"
of serious crimes. You take drastic, vastly expensive action only when you
know,
not when there is doubt.

Ding! Ding! Ding!

....And the winner is... NOT the Global warming lobby!

The above is a persuader as far as I'm concerned. I accept that the case for
Global warming is definitely not made.

Yes, I saw "An inconvenient truth", yes, I live in a place that is extremely
sensitive about the environment, yes, I have many friends who are strong
advocates of the case for Global Warming, but in this instance at least, I
think Judson makes a valid case.

Nevertheless, whether the GWists are right or wrong, we should consider the
possibility that there might be something in their argument and seek further
evidence. While that evidence is being obtained, it wouldn't hurt for all of
us to be aware of our actions, environmentally. Plant trees, recycle
garbage, don't litter, don't rape the environment. If you enjoy fishing and
hunting, observe quotas, and don't take more than you and your friends and
neighbours can eat. (point being: if the quota says 50 and you can only use
40... take 40.)

It is fair to say that an alarm has been rung.

We should not ignore it, but neither should we panic...

Pete.
--
"I used to write COBOL...now I can do anything."



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