Re: OT:Thanksgiving


"Pete Dashwood" <dashwood@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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"Rick Smith" <ricksmith@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
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"Judson McClendon" <judmc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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"Alistair" <alistair@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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And smoking tobacco doesn't cause cancer either, does it Judson?

Unlike global warming, tobacco was proven to cause cancer from actual
trials, not from vastly complex and disputed hypothesis.

Well, no! It has never be proven that smoking tobacco
causes cancer. In particular, it has never been shown
how the cancer develops, only that it does. Without
showing how the cancer develops, the claim that
"smoking causes lung cancer" is but another example
of the logical fallacy, "post hoc, ergo propter hoc".

The similarity between "smoking causes lung cancer"
and "global warming" seems to be that those who
believe there is overwhelming evidence that "X causes
Y" want X stopped without having to show how "X
causes Y".


In order to help me balance your argument, I have to ask: Do you smoke,
Rick?

I am not certain how that question relates to the obligation,
of those making scientific claims, to establish credible scientific
evidence; but yes, I do smoke and, when I first saw the U.S.
mandated warning on cigarette packages in 1969, I found the
claims to be not credible. Having since examined some of the
scientific evidence, I have found no reason for me to change
my mind. ["Experimental Production of Carcinoma With
Cigarette Tar", Ernest L. Wynder, Evarts A. Graham, and
Adele B. Croniger, June 8, 1953, is presented often as proof
that "smoking causes lung cancer". While the experiment did
find the presence of "carcinogenic factors in cigarette smoke",
it never determined how the cancer developed.]


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