Re: OT:Thanksgiving

On 1 Dec, 18:46, "Judson McClendon" <ju...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I have maintained from the beginning that we *don't know for certain* if global
warming is happening,

Therefore, YOU can not be certain that it is not happening.

and even if we did, we *don't know for certain* that
humanity is causing it.

All data shows that the most significant increase in global CO2 and
temperature has occured with increasing human population and
particularly the INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION. Coincidence? I think not.

I never said that either one was absolutely not happening.
It is the global warming proponents who have no doubts, which in and of itself
is alarming, considering the uncertainty of the evidence.

There is no uncertainty to the evidence nor to the conclusions that
the scientists have drawn from the evidence. Any uncertainty exists in
your mind. I rant on about your religious beliefs because I view that
those beliefs are significant contributing factors in your ostrich-
like approach to this issue.

It is this absolute,
unshakable, blind belief, when the evidence doesn't warrant it that distresses me
most.

Ditto re your religious beliefs and your posture on global warming.

Such attitudes are the antithesis of what the scientific attitude should be.

And please don't rate on about belief in God. The situations are completely
different.

Quite right. One is based on evidence and the drawing of conclusions
from said evidence and the other is based on blind ignorance in the
absence of any evidence.

If I believe in God and there is no God, then I am no worse off;
I will die and never know it. If you don't believe in God, and He does exist,
you are in trouble that makes global warming look like a picnic, for eternity.

No trouble - THERE IS NO GOD.


The situation with global warming is different. If you global warming advocates
are wrong, a vast amount of money will have been wasted and a lot of draconian
laws will have been passed, damaging personal freedom (a vastly important thing)
for no reason and no benefit. A total waste. But if global warming is happening,
we will know for certain at some point

We know for certain NOW!

and will deal with it then.

How much evidence do you need before you will change your views? Do
you need the Simpson-esque hand of God to come down from the skys and
order you to change?

If global
tempratures have increased only one degree in a century, we aren't going to be
fried in another 50 years, or even 100 years,

The current standpoint has it that if we do not start doing something
now then in 20 (and most certainly 50) years time it will be too late
to reverse the trends and prevent the forthcoming environmental
catastrophe. I believe that those who see global warming as a gentle
increase in temperatures over time are deluding themselves. I foresee
a tipping point which will have icecaps melted and temperatures
increased non-linearly; a viewpoint which is not ruled out from the
range of possibilities for the future.

As an aside, I presume you are happy to have the massive influx of
immigrants that will come to the Americas looking for land to live on
after their countries are turned into deserts?


if it takes that to know.

And still the nay-sayers will cry "Falsehood!" We still have people
alive who believe the earth is flat, despite the evidence to the
contrary.

d it
would be expected that by then we would have better technology to deal with it
if necessary.

The Republican viewpoint: "We don't need to do anything now because in
50 years we will have technology save us".

If we blow ourselves up in a war in the meantime, it becomes moot.

Unlikely to happen.


As good a time as any. Except when it is too late.

The same could be said of imprisoning a person who you think is "probably guilty"
of serious crimes. You take drastic, vastly expensive action only when you know,
not when there is doubt.
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Judson McClendon ju...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx (remove zero)
Sun Valley Systems http://sunvaley.com
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