Re: OT:Thanksgiving

In article <t8qil3ll1tpc76rffun1n7n7oekmupjs2n@xxxxxxx>, Howard Brazee <howard@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Fri, 07 Dec 2007 15:32:21 GMT, spambait@xxxxxxxxxx (Doug Miller)
wrote:

What makes you think clean-up will be cheaper if we allow the damage
to continue?

What evidence is there that any damage is occurring?

Glacier melts for one

In some areas. In other places, some glaciers are growing.

- but there is a large body of work showing
damage. But scientists get fame and fortune by proving the
establishment wrong. Get the evidence that they are all wrong (even
GWB has accepted that they are not wrong) - that fame and fortune will
be yours.

Sorry, you missed the point. "Damage" in this analogy is not simple warming,
but *human-caused* global warming.

I think a better analogy is fixing the crack in the dam. We can wait
to make sure that the leak will, in fact break the dam, we can wait
until we have better dam repairing equipment, or we can start
repairing it now.

An even better analogy is spending a boatload of money to fix a crack in the
dam, when we're not even sure there is a crack in the first place. There is
*no* evidence that human activity is causing the planet to get warmer.

There may be *no* evidence that that dam crack was created by people.
So if we didn't create it, it's not our problem, right?

That's where the 'crack in the dam' analogy breaks down: the dam is a human
artifact, and thus (presumably) repairable by humans, regardless of the cause
of the crack. But if we didn't create global warming, then it's a natural
process -- and there isn't any reason to suppose that we *can* do anything
about it.

But what would you accept as evidence?

For starters, data showing that temperature increases *follow* the human
activity that is alleged to cause them. Data so far shows that the bulk of the
temperature increase in the last century and a quarter came *before* the human
activity that is alleged to have caused it.

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.
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