Re: The Art of Project Management



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In article <5titciF1e2il7U1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
Pete Dashwood <dashwood@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


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In article <mqf7n31pktfs95tove24e298eoufh8ommu@xxxxxxx>,
Howard Brazee <howard@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 14:25:58 +0000 (UTC), docdwarf@xxxxxxxxx () wrote:

I'm not sure what you're calling 'process rubbish' here, Mr Berkun...
but
I've worked on few sites where programmers have told me that
telecommuting
was discussed and turned down because the managers decided that without
being able to count nostrils and recta they would not be able to tell
if
the work was actually getting done.

Nobody - at least nobody whose view held sway during the considerations
of telecommuting - appears to have said 'How about... 'we know the work
is
getting done by the reaching of goals and milestones, just the way we
do
now but without actual bodies around.'

But I've also worked where telecommuting was allowed, with such
criteria used.

This, perhaps, might assist Mr Berkun in describing 'process rubbish'...
or it might not; his response has yet to be seen.

Given that Mr. Berkun is not a contributor to this thread and what has
been
quoted here is simply selective extracts from his book, chosen by Robert,
it may be some time before there is a response from him...

I see no practical point in discussing his opinions unless he is present
and
able to defend or explain them.

Mr Dashwood, perhaps in all the rush you missed
<http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.cobol/msg/a845766427e94f73?dmode=source>
and to which I responded with the abovequoted section beginning with 'I'm
not sure what you're calling 'process rubbish' here, Mr Berkun...'

It seems that he put in an appearance... whether there will be more or not
remains to be seen.

DD

Thanks Doc,

I didn't see that post and it didn't show up in my mail reader.

I have since re-loaded the thread and it now shows.

I'll read his book before commenting further... :-)

Pete.
--
"I used to write COBOL...now I can do anything."


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