Re: help with tables

In article <gfl2q319rd84spnb10q3f9huuvjq2254f9@xxxxxxx>,
Robert <no@xxxxxx> wrote:
On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 01:37:24 +0000 (UTC), docdwarf@xxxxxxxxx () wrote:

In article <bav1q3t26jjt26156j9eh4lpp1ivtot9a0@xxxxxxx>,
Robert <no@xxxxxx> wrote:

That's similar to a way I have seen things done on mainframes, yes... but
a way that would not pass muster in more than a few shops where I've
worked and would have gotten you laughed out of Prod Implementation
reviews.

I've never seen a Prod Implementation review. I've only seen reviews
BEFORE testing began.
Sounds like you're putting untested rewrites into production.

That might be due to the fact that it is something you admit to being
outside of your experience, Mr Wagner; a Prod Implementation review can
require a programmer to submit test results.

In my experience, test results are checked by TEST TEAMS, who run pair,
integration,
system, regression and performance tests. Each test case is evidenced by
a document
showing expected versus actual, and signed in blood.

Now think of expanding your experience, Mr Wagner... and imagine that the
TEST TEAM (caps original) makes a copy of their documentation... and
returns it (in exchange for a signature, of course), to the programmer...
who brings this stack o' foolscap along when he sits down with other folks
at a Prod Implementation meeting.

There... that wasn't so difficult, was it? A wonderful world it is, that
has New Things - even from decades past! - to learn in it.

Unit tests run by
programmers aren't
taken seriously by anyone.

Remember your Goedel, Mr Wagner... if that sentence is true then
programmers (part of the sub-set of 'anyone') who do unit tests don't take
their own work seriously.


(if 3100- begins in column 8 (as indicated by the debugging line
following it) then the imperatives which follow precede column 12)

My keypunch machine was down.

Try the ISPF editor, Mr Wagner... it's good 1970s technology.

Outside the mainframe world it's called XEdit and KEdit.

Not much use for an example of 'the mainframe world', then, is it?

DD

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