Re: help with tables

In article <mkj3q3pmtvmn64pjnhk0s3mfcgplas1hcs@xxxxxxx>,
Robert <no@xxxxxx> wrote:
On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 10:26:34 +0000 (UTC), docdwarf@xxxxxxxxx () wrote:

In article <gfl2q319rd84spnb10q3f9huuvjq2254f9@xxxxxxx>,
Robert <no@xxxxxx> wrote:
On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 01:37:24 +0000 (UTC), docdwarf@xxxxxxxxx () wrote:

In article <bav1q3t26jjt26156j9eh4lpp1ivtot9a0@xxxxxxx>,
Robert <no@xxxxxx> wrote:

That's similar to a way I have seen things done on mainframes, yes... but
a way that would not pass muster in more than a few shops where I've
worked and would have gotten you laughed out of Prod Implementation
reviews.

I've never seen a Prod Implementation review. I've only seen reviews
BEFORE testing began.
Sounds like you're putting untested rewrites into production.

That might be due to the fact that it is something you admit to being
outside of your experience, Mr Wagner; a Prod Implementation review can
require a programmer to submit test results.

In my experience, test results are checked by TEST TEAMS, who run pair,
integration,
system, regression and performance tests. Each test case is evidenced by
a document
showing expected versus actual, and signed in blood.

Now think of expanding your experience, Mr Wagner... and imagine that the
TEST TEAM (caps original) makes a copy of their documentation... and
returns it (in exchange for a signature, of course), to the programmer...

Tests plans and results, along with all other project documentation,
reside in a framework
repository that's accessible to everyone. There is no reason to print them out.

Mr Wagner, in 'more than a few shops where I have worked' such things were
not always available; that was the reason to print them out.


who brings this stack o' foolscap along when he sits down with other folks
at a Prod Implementation meeting.

Our meetings are held in cyberspace using NetMeeting or similar.
Participants are all over
the world; they are not sitting in a room.

Not everyone's meetings were what your meetings are, Mr Wagner... you do
realise that 'where I have worked' might encompass a portion of space/time
that's more than a few decades past, don't you?


Moreover, the development team is often disbanded before the project
goes to production.
There is no reason for a programmer to be the project's advocate; that's
the job of
project managers.

There... that wasn't so difficult, was it? A wonderful world it is, that
has New Things - even from decades past! - to learn in it.

Sounds to me like Old Things.

In that you admit to being unfamiliar with them, Mr Wagner, then despite
being decades old they are, by definition (http://m-w.com/dictionary/new,
2 a (2)), new.


Are your code reviews done with hardcopy marked up with highlighters,
1970s style?
Ours are done with file comparison programs such as Beyond Compare.

I've said nothing about how things are, Mr Wagner... that is why I stated
'where I have worked', not 'on my current site'.

DD

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