Re: OT: Racial superiority / Intelligent design was Re: OT:Thanksgiving



"Judson McClendon" <judmc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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"tim Josling" <tejgcc_nospam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
LX-i wrote:

Nope - it just a simple logical deduction. Adam was created as an
adult; therefore, it makes perfect sense that the rest of creation (AKA
"the world") was also created as mature, and is "older" than 6,000
years, even though it may have only actually *been* around ~6,000 years.


This does raise an interesting question though. Would Adam have had the
usual scars that are incurred in childhood?

The universe certainly seems to have such indications of greater age. For
example, we can see things that were not there when the photons would
have left.

Not really. Out of over 200 odd methods to date the Earth, only a
very few indicate ages over perhaps a million years. Consider the
amount of nickel-iron from meteorites. Even at today's rate of
meteorite falls, if the Earth were 4 billion years old, there would
be some 70 or 80 feet of nickel-iron covering the surface. It is not
to be found. Look at the Moon's surface. They expected to find deep
seas of micro-dust from billions of years of exposure to radiation,
meteorites and heat/cold cycles, yet it simply isn't there. Consider
the salinity of the oceans. We know how much salt is being poured
into the world's oceans currently, and it is not likely that the
ground was less salty before being leached of salt from thousands
(or billions) of years of rainfall, yet if the earth were over about
10,000 years old, the oceans today would be like the Dead Sea.
Consider the ubiquitous polonium spheres in granite. There is no
reasonable explanation for them, except that the Earth was formed,
in place, essentially instantaneously. There are obvious human
artifacts, like rock hammers with wooden handles, found embedded in
seams of coal; I've seen them. There are literally hundreds of such
simple, obvious, common sense arguments for a young Earth and
Biblical Creation. But they are typically ignored and swept under
the rug by those who simply don't want to accept it. Instead, they
propose preposterous, convoluted, mind-bogglingly stupid
"explanations" (like punctuated equilibrium), and choose to believe
those instead. If you don't believe that, just observe the long and
complex "explanations" that will undoubtedly be posted to refute
the clear and simple things in this paragraph, all of which will be
assumptions, of course, that can't be experimentally verified as
true. Radioisotope dating methods are so error prone they are
practically useless. Lava flows that formed in front of cameras,
and known to be a few days old, have been radioisotope dated to
thousands of years old. If I had a ruler that couldn't reliably tell
the difference between an inch and five miles, I would throw it away.
The rest of the world would too, if it didn't give them an excuse to
ignore much simpler and more logical explanations that refute their
preferred world view.


Yeah, right...

And if men had evolved from apes, why didn't all the apes die out?

I find it quite shocking that you could possibly believe the drivel you just
wrote.

Sad.

There is no need for "long and complex 'explanations'" to refute your
"simple" (actually "retarded" might be more applicable, but I don't want to
offend retarded folk...) descriptions above.

All anyone has to do is look.

We look at the night sky and photons impinge on our eyes that
popped into existence on 24 Feb 4004 BC, traveling in just such
directions
and numbers as to make it look like things were out there millions and
billions of years ago. Someone or something went to a *lot* of trouble to
make the universe look older than some books say it is. Why?

Creation of the universe was "a *lot* of trouble".

Nonsense. To an omnipotent being it was child's play...

Do you think the
God Who could do that would have trouble filling in such tiny details?
It's not a matter of deception, it's a matter of creating a universe
*in balance*. If God only created eggs, how would they be hatched
without a chicken to nest them?

That's why He created neither. A hen is an egg's way of making another egg.
It is the DNA that drives the process, and that, in turn derived from
simpler building blocks over unimaginable periods of time.

God had nothing to do with it. It would have happened whether He was there
or not.

Adam was created as an adult so he
could take care of himself. God isn't an idiot.

Given you are created in His image, that statement has to be arguable...:-)


He simply created a
harmonious universe in balance. Can you suggest how He could have
done that *without* the "appearance of age?"

God also took care to tell us about Creation, so claims that God is
"deceptive" are pointedly absurd.

They're not if the Creation story is wrong...

Pete.
--
"I used to write COBOL...now I can do anything."


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