Re: The Pascal - isation of MS and C++
From: Mr. John A. Jackson ([no)
Date: 06/06/04
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Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 20:05:55 -0500
Thanks for the link (the video was a little over an hour and the volume was
a bit low).
It's interesting that MS is encouraging C++ developers to use the plumbing
of .NET. This seems easy enough for Delphi developers (even when using C#
and VB.NET).
It's nice to know that XP SP1 has the .NET Framework. I can start testing
my D8 deployment strategy on "standard" systems now.
"Dennis Landi" <none[at]none.com> wrote in message
news:40c234a0$1@newsgroups.borland.com...
> On http://msdn.microsoft.com/visualc/ go to the "Herb Sutter SD West(100k)
"
> link under the "Multimedia Link" farther down the page and run the video.
>
> This is the link to the excellent Herb Sutter's talk on C++ as the high
> performance language choice within the .NET stable.
>
> I would recommend skipping the first 20 mins (this is a long 50 min talk)
as
> a lot of time is wasted running the Quake.NET demo (again!) and
> "interacting" with audience members. He trots out the corporate line that
> the next OS after win32 is WinFx not Win64 (Win64 is an "interim" OS...,
he
> says... but than he talks a great deal about calling *native* libraries,
so
> they simply renamed Win64 to WinFX... duh. The first 20 mins is MS
> marketing hype, basically)
>
> He describes a lot the .NET semantics that are added to MS C++ as "pure
> extensions". And what should strike any Delphi programmer right away is
> that they look REALLY pascal-like. Herb actualy refers to the "revenge of
> pascal" about 22 minutes into the talk.
>
> Of course, nobody was trying to pascalize C++, but actually trying to
> .NET-ize it and realizing after the fact they did indeed pascal-ize quite
a
> few things.
>
> Moral of the story. We need to expand our edge in the natively compiled
> world. We already have the toolset to do it. It just needs to be
> upgraded... Not turn tail and run.
>
> Herb basically is making this point: C++ is the greatest language in the
MS
> camp for high-performance programmers. Because (and he says this several
> times) you can always call native libraries whenever you need maximum
> performance; and yet, still avail yourself of all the .NET functionality
> from within pure C++ semantics (with the extensions).
>
> Now, my friendly challenge to the assembled Delphi faithful. Wouldn't
there
> be so many less hoops to jump thru if Herb were talking about natively
> compiled Delphi interacting with .NET than C++? After all, don't we have
a
> simpler, cleaner (more elegant) language, already primed for the purpose;
> and hasn't .NET and the new C++ (with the CLI extensions) borrowed heavily
> from the language we already use?
>
> (and just for the record, I am a *big* Herb Sutter fan.)
>
> -d
>
>
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